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  • For MK 11, what do you guys think might actually happen? I have a feeling we will see the return of the Dragon King and maybe a few 3D era characters that were rather cool. Anyone have any ideas?

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    • I think there will be an alliance between Raiden and Hotaru. This is because they both want the same thing which is universal order. Daegon and Onaga will be on the same side and possibly join the alliance of Hotaru and Raiden. I would like to see Shujinko join the Forces of Light in a battle against Raiden and Company.

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    • We should probably take into consideration of the Royal Revenants, Liu Kang and Kitana. They should probably take Raiden's warning as a threat and go up against him. So no, we can have Netherrealm and the Forces of Light joining forces.

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    • We know at some point Liu Kang and the others will be restored. The only question is how?

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    • Jensei? I suppose that Ermac could snap them out of it just like in Deception.

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    • The Jensei wouldn't be a very logical choice because of what happened with Raiden.

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    • The Jensei was corrupted with the stain of Shinnok. It was only when Raiden cleansed it with his powers that he was corrupted like contracting the corruption. Now that the Jensei is clean, we can start sending knocked out revenants in there like at the beginning of MKX.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      We know at some point Liu Kang and the others will be restored. The only question is how?

      I really hope so, but I'm not confident. Only because Netherrealm seems really intent on burying Liu Kang and making him act so out of character for no real valid reason. A lot of people have said that it's Ed who hates Liu, but I don't know if I buy that. 

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    • Yeah. I don't buy it either. 

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    • Still, MKX's story was so bad, it kinda made MK9's worse for me in retrospect, regardless of who at Netherrealm doesn't like what character. I feel I'll be lucky at this point for even a little bit of goodwill to be brought back to the lore with the next game.

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    • I have a feeling Onaga will be back in MK 11. But it does wonder me what he might look like for the game, if he will retain a few things from his Deception design.

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    • I guess I'm all for some hybrid design between old and new.

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    • I think he'll have a head very similar to that of a Red Dragon hybrid from Armageddon. And retain stuff like his helmet, wings, necklace and tail.

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    • I have a feeling that Onaga will be closer to what he was in Deception but without a tail and with a second set of arms. Like if Goro becomes the host for Onaga.

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    • I would love to see No Face make a fully playable appearance for MK 11. Because Tremor had his appearance in MKX, and we don't have a full time major pyromaniac character yet either. I think he would be a good choice for the game.

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    • Liu Kang, Scorpion and Shang Tsung are you fire wielders. Of course, they're not technically maniacs. I think that No Face would be great to have and to play but I doubt they'll put him in just for that specifically.

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    • I would like to see Motaro back for MK 11, as a Centaur boss character. Instead of him as a cameo character like in MK9.

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    • I would love to see Motaro too. I do understand it would take a lot of money to create him but I believe that if they create him in this new format then they will have a lot of people paying just to have him. They'll make their money back that way.

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    • Huh, now there seems to be speculation that Netherrealm could be waiting on the next generation of consoles for MK11. Not sure about you, but having to wait till the PS5/Xbox Two, and thereby having only one MK game this gen would be a new level of "get fucked" for me, though could see it happening. Just not sure at the moment what next gen system I'll eventually gravitate towards, without having to experience some broken PC port of the game.

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    • You guys hear about the leak from that Spanish voice actor?

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    • Yep, though taking it with a grain of salt.

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    • Yep, grain of salt.

      @Ridley: That does make a lot of sense. I mean, isn't PS5 coming out soonish?

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    • Depends on how long they've been working on the next MK after Injustice 2 I guess. If they're holding off on development of MK11 to play the waiting game for next gen, will have to see.

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    • I don't think they're holding off. And besides the Game Awards is coming up. I definitely think an MK 11 reveal will happen if NetherRealm shows up for the event on December 6th.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      I don't think they're holding off. And besides the Game Awards is coming up. I definitely think an MK 11 reveal will happen if NetherRealm shows up for the event on December 6th.

      Unfortunately I can't seem to find any kind of list of game devs that will be at the event. I feel like if NRS shows up at all we can expect some kind of news, because they'd have no other reason to be there as they don't have any games to be nominated for the awards. However... I have next to no hope that they'll actually be there, though.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      I don't think they're holding off. And besides the Game Awards is coming up. I definitely think an MK 11 reveal will happen if NetherRealm shows up for the event on December 6th.

      honestly, i think MKXI will come out in 2020 at earliest.

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    • The thought of Ed Boon being a trolling fucker who dances around the bush on MK11 for that long, oh dear.

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    • I don't think it would be that bad if they held off till 2020. It only gives them enough time to really develop the story.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I don't think it would be that bad if they held off till 2020. It only gives them enough time to really develop the story.

      Because MKX had a lackluster one at best. And if the undead heroes are revived then I won't have much to complain about. The only thing we need is a even amount of heroes and villains for the game plus 1 or 2 neutral characters.

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    • The quality of the story just depends on the writers, not so much the development time that would be focused more on other things/gameplay. If there's still shitty writing, then it won't matter how long the game was worked on.

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    • They could use some better writers.

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    • I think as far as the dialogue/vocabulary is concerned, MKX was very respectable. The emphasis must lie on the overall story aspects in order to take advantage of the superb "little things" writing, though. I just finished the Arkham series and this immediately made me think of it. The dialogue in all of those games is fantastic, but only City had that amazing overall story writing in my opinion. The truth is most consumers don't pay a whole lot of attention to details, so if the major plot is shit, then the little gems of dialogue writing aren't enough to carry the load.

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    • I actually wouldn't mind it if there were more villains than heroes. In fact, I would find it more interesting to see the villains outnumber the heroes by at least 3 or 4 to 1.

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    • What characters would you guys like to see back in MK 11? That wasn't in MKX?

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      What characters would you guys like to see back in MK 11? That wasn't in MKX?

      Frost, Fujin, Jade, Daegon, Havik, Jarek, Nitara, Noob Saibot, Onaga, Rain, Sareena, Sektor, Shang Tsung, Smoke, Tasia, Taven. :)

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    • A.K.A.., pretty much all the veterans people wanted for MKX DLC that were cucked by guest characters. It'll be interesting at least to see how many of them make it in the base game of MK11, taking into account how much some of them were still requested throughout the last game's lifepsan.

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    • Honestly, pretty much everyone who wasn't in MKX needs a chance to be in MK11. Revamps are needed with some characters and, between Mokap and Meat, some characters should become skins for other characters.

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    • Kai is one character that should've gotten his spot in MKX instead of Bo' Rai Cho. I don't have any issues with Bo' Rai Cho, but Kai, Reiko and a few others should have gotten their spots in the game.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      Kai is one character that should've gotten his spot in MKX instead of Bo' Rai Cho. I don't have any issues with Bo' Rai Cho, but Kai, Reiko and a few others should have gotten their spots in the game.

      he was introduced as a ninja in MK4, and when he returned in Armageddon, he was a Shao Kahn clone. but who knows, maybe a potential appearance in MKXI could redeem him.

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    • The reason why Reiko wasn't in MKX is because he was killed in the comics.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      The reason why Reiko wasn't in MKX is because he was killed in the comics.

      The comic writers really screwed everything up with Havik and Reiko. Havik especially. As he is supposed to be a Cleric of Chaos like in the old timeline. They really messed that up.

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    • Still would've taken either of them as DLC over Tanya.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      The reason why Reiko wasn't in MKX is because he was killed in the comics.

      I think it's more like: "the reason why Reiko was killed in the comics is because NRS didn't want him in MKX." lol.

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    • That might be a fair statement. It's a real shame though. Reiko has a really cool background.

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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43L2dkSn7aA

      Not sure how to feel about this leak/rumor if true.

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    • Interesting for sure. Some of the information is very exciting but then some of it sounds really shitty. I hope the story is real as well as the adventure mode and the ability to modify the characters. Really close to Kreate-a-Kombatant (personally liked that in MK: Armageddon). The rest of it seems kind of weird. Even the lack of some characters seems weird.

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    • The character cuts is what concerns me most at the moment but can see happening. Some of the other ideas sound good, but yeah, will have to wait till we know more.

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    • And I get that. I'm concerned that they're going to take out characters who didn't die in rhe last two MKs just so they can make room for more new characters.

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    • I think they are gonna scale back on the new characters for MK 11. Another thing too, NRS needs to stop treating Liu Kang like shit. I have had enough of it. 

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    • @ Dragonspyne: Well Injustice 2 did the same thing, left out some characters who didn't die for no particular reason.

      @ Blitz: If Liu Kang and Kitana are still around in the roster though while a bunch of other MK1-2 characters are cut going by the rumor, I wouldn't take him for granted honestly.

      Preparing myself for the possibility of another roster massacre, regardless.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      Another thing too, NRS needs to stop treating Liu Kang like shit. I have had enough of it. 

      You aren't the only one. Its seriously gotten old. Its like ever since Deadly Alliance they've been hellbent on displaying some sort of weird contempt for him. I know people who enjoyed Zombie Liu Kang in Deception and Armageddon, but for me it just felt like a slap in the face and worse than just killing him off. What's really irritating is that Liu has a lot of potential to be a great character story-wise, a hero who has character flaws (at times his ego does seem to rival Johnny's), has his beliefs challenged and goes through changes. But NRS seems intent on making him a whiny generic villain because...they think its cool and edgy, I guess?

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    • Edgy characterization sells, but we've kinda had an oversaturation of it thanks to NRS. Regime Superman, etc.

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    • Well, it's here. The Scorpion vs Raiden promotional reveal sure was something.

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    • It's fucking awesome.

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    • interesting that they've moved away from scorpion vs sub-zero

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    • Sub-Zero will be in the game obviously. They just wanted to mix it up with the reveal trailer this time around. And Shao Kahn is back!!!

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    • "Mortal Kombat is back and better than ever in the next evolution of the iconic franchise.

      The all new Custom Character Variations give you unprecedented control to customize the fighters and make them your own. The new graphics engine showcasing every skull-shattering, eye-popping moment, brings you so close to the fight you can feel it. And featuring a roster of new and returning Klassic Fighters, Mortal Kombat’s best in class cinematic story mode continues the epic saga over 25 years in the making."

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    • Figured ol Shao would be back as the bonus character or whathaveyou. Cool that the game is coming to Switch too.

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    • Hey, remember the first game Shao Kahn was a bonus character in? Deception, at least on one platform. C'mon, Onaga.

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    • Loving that Shao Kahn is back. Would love it more if Shao ended up in the story somehow.

      The woman next to the hour glass seems to be a manipulator of time. I saw a theory (and I'm agreeing with it) that the second Scorpion is a time travelling Scorpion hense the classic Scorpion. I also hope that the woman ends up being the Mysterious Woman we've known about since Jade's MK9 ending.

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    • If Shao Kahn is back, I have a big feeling Onaga will be back too. I know Sub-Zero will be back because it's obvious. Liu Kang, Kitana, Sonya, Jax and many others will be back as well.

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    • probably time to rename the next thread, or make future of mk part 7 the subtitile

      possibly hinted in the trailer : mutlivers/time travel, mk9 style damage?, tag?

      definitely returning in some capacity: shao, raiden an scorpion, variations, skins

      I hope this still expands more on earth, outworld and netherrealm just not pull all new characters from new places. so many things are not really that filled out. (races and mobs etc, If the temple is gone where does Raiden get goons, he teaching MMA fighters magic or just doing all himself)

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    • I just hope we'll see Scorpion's Hanzo Hasashi skin again.

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    • just had a question, about souls and netherrealm. is netherrealm full of kitana clone souls? If so she could shang shung a mileena variantion

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    • Dayum. I was laughing my ass off through the whole trailer, partly from excitement and partly at the ratshit music. No shade at anyone who likes 21 Savage, but that sort of hip hop doesn't suit MK thematically IMO. Also, the custom character variations system sounds cool but has me a bit worried. I'm just hoping its not too much like Injustice 2's randomized Gear racket. 

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    • I'm a little concerned about the variations also. I just hope there was enough time to put some focus into story. MKX story was a little lack luster and, if my newly adopted theory is correct, this is going to be the most complicated story from MK ever.

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    • I'm not a fan of things that are complicated.

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    • I know Sub-Zero will be back for MK 11. But it makes no sense why he was excluded from the reveal trailer.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      I know Sub-Zero will be back for MK 11. But it makes no sense why he was excluded from the reveal trailer.

      I believe they did this to show how important Raiden will be in this game.

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    • I hope that like before, Dark Raiden remains little more than an edgy side nuisance.

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    • Personally, I think it would be quite an interesting thing to make Raiden one of the bosses.

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    • I know a few characters will be back for MK 11. Like Liu Kang, Sub-Zero, Jax, Kitana, Kung Lao, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Kano, Ermac and Reptile. They are some of our favorite characters after all. But it does wonder me. What other fan favorites from MK1 to MK3 will actually return and be playable?

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    • Noob Saibot is due for a return along with Jade.

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    • Shang Tsung is another character that is also due for a return.

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    • I guess the multiverse/time travel thing will give an excuse to have Quan Chi again. Death is but a papercut in the world of MK.

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    • That is correct. I have to wonder that if there is to be the multiverse in this game then potentially this could end up being the second Armageddon game which would have each character since MK1. Could you imagine? That's nuts!

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    • I still say no to Quan Chi after MKX personally, though if Shang is back too then I can at least stomach it, but Quan's kinda overstayed his welcome for me at this point.

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    • I can see what you're saying. Personally though, he was a favorite of mine in MKX. His variations were so well done. I just didn't like that they took so long to make him good.

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    • Lui Kang & Sub-Zero have been confirmed from a Canadian Best Buy.

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    • I knew they would be back because of how popular they are. And besides you can't have a Mortal Kombat game without Sub-Zero and Scorpion.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      I knew they would be back because of how popular they are. And besides you can't have a Mortal Kombat game without Sub-Zero and Scorpion.

      Tell that to MK3.

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    • DLKMK1989 wrote:
      Blitz4560 wrote:
      I knew they would be back because of how popular they are. And besides you can't have a Mortal Kombat game without Sub-Zero and Scorpion.
      Tell that to MK3.

      NRS has not made that mistake since then. You can't complete a MK game without the 2 ninjas nowadays.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I can see what you're saying. Personally though, he was a favorite of mine in MKX. His variations were so well done. I just didn't like that they took so long to make him good.

      Still though, Shang Tsung they left much unexplored with, and if anything I'd like to see how he would do being back without Quan Chi or a rival sorcerer around, kinda like the MK1-3 days. Not to mention Quan Chi's story has been done to death now, and got the closure people were waiting for when Scorpion got his revenge and beheaded him.

      And yeah, vanilla MK3 was an exception to the rule. They probably didn't realize just how popular Scorpion already was by then, and quickly fixed that mistake by putting out Ultimate MK3.

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    • Of course, I also miss Shang Tsung.

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    • I feel like Nitara, Darrius, Hotaru and Havik would be a nice fit for MK 11.

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    • It makes sense. We are getting into Deadly Alliance territory.

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    • Agreed. Also, if MKX Raiden dialogue has any influence to MK11, Raiden probably has something to do with Chaosrealm.

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    • Just occurred to me but with how close we already are to release, I guess there won't be any comics to promote the game like there was for MKX huh? Shame.

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    • What boss characters do you guys want back in MK 11? Other than Onaga?

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    • Who else is there? Most otheres like Kintaro, Motaro, and Moloch are such kinda out of the question, being dead and all.

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    • @Ridley: It doesn't surprise me that MK11 doesn't have any comic books. It seems like anytime MK releases a comic it doesn't really sell a lot. I personally would love to see one though.

      @Blitz: I have to agree with Ridley. There really are no more bosses that we can have back since most of them are actually dead. However, if we were to want a boss back then I would love to see Motaro. Assuming that NRS can do the animation at a lower cost, Motaro would be extremely cool to have back. I guess the only other option would have to be Blaze but I don't consider him a boss because he's not really a villain.

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    • Since Goro will most likely not be in MK11, I hope Sheeva makes the cut.

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    • Me too. She is the new queen of the Shokan after all. I can see her taking on a hero role along with Kotal Kahn.

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    • Actually, now that I think about it, what if Sheeva and Kotal Kahn get together?

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    • Can see them getting along at least.

      So Scorpion got a change in voice actor after this long? Bummer.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_2Dqp7fZDU

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Actually, now that I think about it, what if Sheeva and Kotal Kahn get together?

      Well, they were on good terms with each other in the comics, so I don't see why not. Assuming Sheeva does come back in MK11, I hope they give her the outfit she wore in the comics, because I really loved that costume.

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    • @Dynamo: I agree that the costume from MKX was really cool. Personally, I don't doubt we'll see Sheeva. I believe that Goro will be the new host for Onaga and Sheeva, in the name of Goro, will want to destroy Onaga so that Goro would be avenged.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      @Dynamo: I agree that the costume from MKX was really cool. Personally, I don't doubt we'll see Sheeva. I believe that Goro will be the new host for Onaga and Sheeva, in the name of Goro, will want to destroy Onaga so that Goro would be avenged.

      That I do agree with as well. I doubt that Reptile will serve as the host for Onaga this time around.

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    • They have to figure out how to bring Goro back. I mean, Reptile did come back after Onaga was defeated.

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    • To be fair though, they shoehorned everyone into Armageddon despite some characters' previous circumstances.

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    • Yeah, you're right. They even went with lame backgrounds like some being from the Netherrealm.

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    • Does anyone know where the pic of Sheeva and Motaro fighting that came out this year is from? I don't know if it's considered a leak or fan art.

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    • Link to the image? First I've heard of it.

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    • Here it is but I just answered my own question. It's on Pintrest. It's gotta be fan art.

      https://goo.gl/images/ANGDFg

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    • Yeah, seems like. Doesn't really even look like Motaro, though cool fan art.

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    • If Motaro ever returned (which I doubt will happen anytime soon), I could imagine that being one of his alternate costumes.

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    • I just wish they would see the value of Motaro so that people can enjoy playing him.

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    • @Dragonspyne: Yeah. It sucks that he may never return. What annoyed me was that he was completely devoid of personality, except maybe his hatred of the Shokan.

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    • When was Motaro devoid of personality? Are you referring to MK9? I would agree with that.

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    • @Dragonspyne: Yeah, not to mention they pretty much deprived him of his rivalry with Sheeva, it would seem.

      Funny thing is, the part in the comics where Kintaro made amends with Kotal Kahn reminds me a whole lot of the peace treaty between the Shokan and Centaur in Kung Lao's ending from Mortal Kombat Gold.

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    • The peace treaty was actually made true just before Deception, possibly before Deadly Alliance. It was Kitana that brought the Shokan and Centaurians together.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      We know at some point Liu Kang and the others will be restored. The only question is how?

      Well, I have a theory. Ashrah has her kriss sword, her sword can exorcise demons (as seen at her ending, when she tries to "kill" Noob Saibot) maybe she could defeat the specters and make they humans again, but that's just speculation.

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    • DwggU4tU8AEl-Km
      Thoughts? Someone I follow on youtube/twitter kinda made the connection.

      Oh, click to enlarge image.

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    • @KatSparkles: That's an idea that I never considered. Good idea.

      @Ridley: That's a cool connection. I would think it's a nod to MK3.

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    • Looking at it more from screenshot comparisons that were taken like this one, I really like how the "2nd Scorpion" that appears resembles not only UMK3 Scorpion and some other versions of the time, but the mask looks so much like the one from Mythologies. The resemblance is uncanny.
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    • @Ridley: You're absolutely right. Between MK2 and MKM:SZ, I think we're in for a really cool background of Scorpion in MK11.

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    • i hope the trailer is hinting at tag team being the standard, a bit of the MvC

      so one scorpion is our current timeline(the one with eyes), another is another timeline(perhaps the old one)

      mkx played with the idea of story affecting variants used by opponents or players. what if in this game variations in moves are based on which timeline the person came from. 

      team of cyborg noob and human smoke ?

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    • As cool as that would be, I'm sure they would only want to use what they have used such as any character from MK1 - MKX. Cyborg Noob would be cool to see but that would incorporate an alternate universe.

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    • yeah really not sure, especially since I feel like injustice 3, will involve another universe, ie there being at least 3-4 universes in it, since injustice verse has split based on endings, and well the other universe from the first game, earth prime, etc etc

      being just old and new would be simple, but would result in less being told. all being told, i want MK to go back in time to the first mortal kombat, 9 tournaments before legendary kung lao versus shang shung. we have 19 MK tournaments which haven't been covered, everything else is usually just war past the two lui kang wins, never really cover kung lao's one win, or the 9 wins of goro and shang shung

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    • @Numberspokevp

      Finally having a playable Great Kung Lao would be pretty awesome.

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    • Any roster predictions for Thursday, ladies and gentlemen?

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    • @DLKMK: I agree. The Great Kung Lao would be fantastic.

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    • Nitara, Frost and Ashrah. 3 underrated queens that should return!

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    • I'm mixed on Skarlet's redesign, and something about Sonya's face seems off. In MKX she looked pretty fine. The new character Geras looks cool.

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    • I feel like they made Sonya look like Ronda.

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    • I just hope we have more long hair designs and less full pants. even smoke is better with long hair, same with raiden. 



      now we have our other beige ninja to go with the brown ninja. chrome, white and pink left

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      I'm mixed on Skarlet's redesign, and something about Sonya's face seems off. In MKX she looked pretty fine. The new character Geras looks cool.

      I kinda hate Skarlet's new design. She looks much better with longer, red hair and a mask over her face. The new design (or at least the skin they were showing the most) made her seem a little too human if that makes sense.

      Sonya's face does seem to resemble Ronda a little, as well as her body in general, which confirms to me now basically after seeing the females in MKX and now Sonya and Skarlet here in MK11, that no longer will females have huge breasts or be scantily clad, likely due to the SJWs, even though they seem perfectly content with even more blood and gore. What a world...

      I was slightly confused about Geras. He seems to be controlling the sands of time, if you will, but a lot of his specials looked like things Tremor would do. And it seems both he and Kronika can control time, but perhaps not in the same way, I'm not sure. I was thinking before ever seeing Geras that they may be siblings, but I'm guessing that's unlikely now, given their respective skin colors.

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    • Skarlet looked like a new character, nothing like her old design. I can agree that she does look too human.

      @DLKMK: The two time masters could be half-siblings still. I also imagine one wanting the old timeline and the other wanting the new. Maybe Geras is the one for the new timeline.

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    • I think that for Liu Kang and Kung Lao to be revived like we saw in the trailer, a time shift probably occured preventing their deaths. Or somebody or something probably resurrected them.

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    • Man I gotta say, seeing classic, living actual  Liu Kang beat down his revenant edgelord self was the greatest shit ever. Even if it's only for a quick second. It was almost cathartic for me.

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    • DLKMK1989 wrote:
      Ridley Prime wrote:
      I'm mixed on Skarlet's redesign, and something about Sonya's face seems off. In MKX she looked pretty fine. The new character Geras looks cool.
      I kinda hate Skarlet's new design. She looks much better with longer, red hair and a mask over her face. The new design (or at least the skin they were showing the most) made her seem a little too human if that makes sense.

      Sonya's face does seem to resemble Ronda a little, as well as her body in general, which confirms to me now basically after seeing the females in MKX and now Sonya and Skarlet here in MK11, that no longer will females have huge breasts or be scantily clad, likely due to the SJWs, even though they seem perfectly content with even more blood and gore. What a world...

      What annoys me about this is that if Jade is returning (which I think is likely), she'll almost certainly be fully covered up and not have Ass for Days like in MK2011. Hopefully she'll at least get a better makeover than Cassie.

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    • Skarlet in the MKX comics even when she had more clothing looked a lot better than this. The one in MK11 is kinda unrecognizable.

      Well if they partially modeled Sonya off of Ronda, guess I can live with it, although "SJW's" aren't a fan of her anyway.

      Yeah, seeing the younger living Liu Kang and Kung Lao go up against their edgy revenant selves was satisfying. I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be stoked to see Bi-Han Sub-Zero face off against Noob Saibot or something to that effect. Nothing against Noob Saibot, but I feel Bi-Han could finally use some kind of redemption arc too if he's ever used again.

      Also, there was a part from somewhere in the stream I guess where they mentioned that the time lady is the boss this time around. What's her name again? Well at least it's something new, even if Onaga got snubbed, but I hope he gets some meaningful mention or cameo somewhere with all this time reversing.

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    • And I get the feeling that Baraka's inclusion has something to do with the time reversing. It leaves me hoping that they'll revive more dead characters (ex. Havik and Reiko), not necessarily for this game, but future games following it.

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    • I don't think Onaga got snubbed. There is still a chance for him to appear in MK 11.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      I don't think Onaga got snubbed. There is still a chance for him to appear in MK 11.

      It would be cool if Onaga appeared as DLC, but that's a bit of a stretch since we now have Shao Kahn.

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    • I got a major feeling we are gonna see a bunch of changes to the timeline for this game. Like with Liu Kang and Kung Lao.

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    • It seems like the two time masters want something different from each other. Like maybe the woman wants the original timeline and the man wants the new.

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    • What I'm wondering is just exactly how Kronika is going to be defeated. Assuming she will be at all. Its not like any of the MK cast transcend time like some crazy comic book or Dragon Ball characters, since there are now multiple versions of some kombatants. So I am curious as to who would even have a chance against Kronika.

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    • Power from the Elder Gods?

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      I got a major feeling we are gonna see a bunch of changes to the timeline for this game. Like with Liu Kang and Kung Lao.

      I hope so. Liu doesn't have to always be in the spotlight for me to be satisfied but it'd be nice for him to actually be his true self and relevant to overarching plot again.

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    • I think this gear system is going to be great. Someone mentioned that the Jade we're going to see won't be the Jade who has legs for days. I doubt that'll be a problem with the gear system. Just make your version of the character.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I think this gear system is going to be great. Someone mentioned that the Jade we're going to see won't be the Jade who has legs for days. I doubt that'll be a problem with the gear system. Just make your version of the character.

      The gear system looks to be an improvement over the one from Injustice 2.

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    • And the story will shape up to be awesome I bet.

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    • Interesting how Boon said Kronika has manipulated events since even the first game, so even the "original timeline" may not be so original.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      Interesting how Boon said Kronika has manipulated events since even the first game, so even the "original timeline" may not be so original.

      That honestly left me shocked. It really turns everything we know about the story of the series on its head. It really makes it seem like Kronika must stand above even the Elder Gods, if she has been manipulating everything and from how she told Shinnok being Raiden's tortured prisoner wasn't his destiny. The Elder Gods' splitting apart the One Being to create the realms in the very beginning was probably part of Kronika's plan for history. 

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    • I wish people in the Kommunity would realize that calling a character "generic" or "boring" is hardly ever a valid criticism. Because it can literally be said about any character. But I see this almost everywhere now, and with a variety of characters. If someone doesn't like Character X they always describe them with those two words which don't really mean anything except that the character doesn't meet your personal preferences. Just something that's been irritating me.

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    • Kronika really changes the way we see MK now.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Kronika really changes the way we see MK now.

      Indeed. I hope that'll be for the better.

      And I know it's unlikely, but if Motaro were to ever come back (not saying he will), but I would imagine him as something of an honorable warrior. They already turned Goro into a coward in the new timeline (via the prequel comics), so I imagine Motaro could be a bit more honorable and loyal than him.

      Again, I'm not saying Motaro will ever return. I'm just mentioning my idea for how he would work personality-wise.

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    • Wait, how was Goro a coward?

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Wait, how was Goro a coward?

      I was at a loss for words. Maybe what I meant was the fact that he's now an outcast due to having his arms torn off.

      Also, something tells me that Reptile might die if Raiden wants to prevent Onaga from being resurrected. Or maybe Goro will serve as the vessel for him this time around.

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    • That is not a farfetched thought. With Reptile out of the way, we don't have Onaga, right? But then there's a useless Goro. Vessel!

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    • Because of Skarlet being in MK 11, Nitara's chances of getting in the game are slim.

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    • @Blitz: Why would that be? Skarlet is a blood elemental and Nitara is a blood sucker. I would assume that those two should be partnered up.

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    • Had that thought back in MK9. lol

      So eh, I will say it's refreshing to have some faith and optimism in MK again. I didn't really feel like this back when they were showing off MKX before it was out which left me mostly unsure or skeptical on how to feel about it despite MK9's success, and as expected, X was subpar in a number of areas outside of the core gameplay, but MK11 with its showings so far is giving us something fresh while also retaining a sense of familiarity with the series.

      I know after MKX, plenty decided they were done with the series if the story narrative continued in the direction it was going, but now we have dream scenarios of younger fallen kombatants fighting their edgelord revenant selves, among other nice surprises. It's pretty surreal. Even the character customizations I have confidence in, despite having skipped Injustice 2 which was kinda strong there also.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      @Blitz: Why would that be? Skarlet is a blood elemental and Nitara is a blood sucker. I would assume that those two should be partnered up.

      Assuming that does happen, I picture Nitara betraying Skarlet in the end so she could suck all of Skarlet's blood.

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    • I can agree with that.

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    • @Dragonspyne: Indeed. After all, Nitara does need to feed on the blood of others to survive, much like how Shang Tsung has to survive by consuming the souls of others.

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    • I wonder just how long they can last without those things. Shang Tsung himself easily looked over 500 years old.

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    • Yeah and that was just without taking any souls for a little while.

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    • With the revelation of Kronika as the Keeper of Time and Architect of the Destiny of the Universe, I wouldn't mind a return to a point in the original timeline which predates the 3D games. That is when the lore took a turn for the worst, in my opinion.

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    • You say that, but Deception expanded the lore in ways no other game has, with the introduction of other realms (Chaos and Order Realm were a breath of fresh air), Outworld's history before Shao Kahn was emperor, etc... That said, I am curious as to what Kronica would have set for the destiny of Onaga.

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    • Yeah. Though, something tells me Goro's gonna be an idiot and accidentally revive Onaga just to get his four arms back. But I could be wrong, though.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      You say that, but Deception expanded the lore in ways no other game has, with the introduction of other realms (Chaos and Order Realm were a breath of fresh air), Outworld's history before Shao Kahn was emperor, etc... That said, I am curious as to what Kronica would have set for the destiny of Onaga.

      Deception was one of the best MK games of the series. I know Onaga will return like the prophecy spoke of. As I prefer him over Kronika for a final boss. She would be too obvious.

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    • She's pretty much confirmed to be the boss though, but I would like Onaga in any form with how big a deal he was to the lore.

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    • What if Kronika's actually a sub-boss? Or maybe Onaga could appear as either a secret boss, or at the end of Story Mode to set the stage for the next game.

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    • Remember when people were speculating that someone other than Shinnok could end up being the boss of MKX? This feels like a repeat moment of that.

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    • To what extent though? I could see Kronica being a sub-sub boss like what Shang Tsung was in MKII. I could even see Shao Kahn being the boss seeing as we're about to get him as DLC. Also, take a look at Shao Kahn, he's more monster-like than ever. Maybe this is what he should have become after Armageddon in the original timeline.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      You say that, but Deception expanded the lore in ways no other game has, with the introduction of other realms (Chaos and Order Realm were a breath of fresh air), Outworld's history before Shao Kahn was emperor, etc... That said, I am curious as to what Kronica would have set for the destiny of Onaga.

      The Realms of Chaos and Order were interesting additions to the MK lore, but Deception didn't do much with the characters and story elements that were introduced, and there was no proper follow-up in Armageddon, which is why the franchise was retroactively rebooted with Mortal Kombat (2011). Now they're trying to rewrite the timelines again.

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    • But if you think about it, most players of Mortal Kombat weren't even aware of the story until MK9. I knew but that's just because I'm a hardcore MK fan.

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    • RichFromStaten wrote:

      The Realms of Chaos and Order were interesting additions to the MK lore, but Deception didn't do much with the characters and story elements that were introduced, and there was no proper follow-up in Armageddon, which is why the franchise was retroactively rebooted with Mortal Kombat (2011). Now they're trying to rewrite the timelines again.

      It's pretty commonly agreed that Armageddon was a mistake which wasn't Deception's fault, though it's unfortunate that Armageddon destroyed pretty much any goodwill that Deception had with the world building that could've been further built upon, but shit happens. Midway in general was getting dumber and dumber by that point until its demise.

      But yeah, I wouldn't mind Kronika/MK11 revisiting that point of the original timeline, righting the wrongs that was caused by Armageddon.

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    • Wouldn't Armageddon be a part of Kronica's original plan? She did say that it was Raiden wo messed things up.

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    • I guess that remains to be seen, but I think she was referring more to how Raiden altered the fates of others, causing plenty to die before it was their time, etc. Hence why she first appeared in Jade's MK9 ending, because it was not their destiny to die then and there.

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    • I know they're trying to bring things full circle by saying Kronika has been controlling everything, but it really does still feel like they're making this shit up as they go. Its like with the Jinsei, the literal lifeforce of Earth; we only find out something that important even exists after 20+ plus of MK.

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    • While there is some foresight and planning certain characters and things ahead of time, a lot of it usually is just making things up as they go, yeah.

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    • Jayspyder wrote:
      I know they're trying to bring things full circle by saying Kronika has been controlling everything, but it really does still feel like they're making this shit up as they go. Its like with the Jinsei, the literal lifeforce of Earth; we only find out something that important even exists after 20+ plus of MK.

      I mean... Yeah. Is there anyone actually out there that thinks Ed Boon & Co. has been planning all of this since '92? Hell, since '12 for that matter. In a series that has been around for this long, yeah, there's gonna be a whole helluva lot of "making shit up as they go." Pretty much every original idea in a movie/tv series or video game series becomes that eventually if they go on long enough. It isn't just MK. Lol.

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    • Of course this is all just making it up as they go along. I'm sure they didn't have the idea that there would be a replacement Kahn back in MKII.

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    • In regards to Shao Kahn's appearance as a pre-order exclusive in MK11, I wonder if they'll make him not as overpowered as he was in MK9.

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    • I think he should be even more overpowered.

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    • Huh? Goro was pretty well balance in MKX, so MK11 Shao Kahn should be somewhere along the lines of that.

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    • @Ridley Prime: That's what I was thinking, too. But I just hope they don't make him a spammer like Darkseid was in Injustice 2 (stupid Omega Beams).

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    • I can see Shao having those green light spears as projectiles, but the hammer throw would be cheap if it's anything like boss Kahn.

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    • Take in mind that I don't mean to say that Shao Kahn should be impossible to beat but he shouldn't be nerfed either. Being that he looks more powerful than ever before makes me believe that he is either here to take over the realms or defeat Onaga. Just my speculation.

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    • @Dragonspyne: You do make a good point on that. But my only question is if Shao Kahn is gonna be a sub-boss in MK11, much like Goro in MKX. It would mark the second time that's ever happened with him (the first being Armageddon).

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    • Actually, it would be the third time. Armageddon, vs. DC Universe, and now 11. It only makes sense if Shao Kahn is superseded by a greater force that, assuming he's in an MK game, he becomes the sub-boss.

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    • Oh, right. I forgot about that. Thank you for pointing that out. Sometimes the littlest things escape my mind.

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    • MKvsDC was that forgettable, to be fair.

      Kabal looks pretty cool again.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      MKvsDC was that forgettable, to be fair.

      Kabal looks pretty cool again.

      Indeed. It's like they tried to copy off of Marvel vs. Capcom, and they blew it big time.

      And I agree, Kabal looks freakin' awesome.

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    • Is it weird that Kabal's new mask reminds me of the one he had in his MK9 ending?

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    • That new mask should look like the MK9 ending for Kabal. It was so badass. I really like that we're getting Kabal when he was with the Black Dragon, before he was a cop.

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    • I also have to wonder that if Kronika wants Armageddon to be then she just might let everyone who has died so far to remain dead. That's what I would assume.

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    • Assuming Armageddon happens again, perhaps Taven should be the one to win as opposed to Shao Kahn, though not like it was in the Konquest mode.

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    • Kabal has one of the best fatalities I've seen in awhile. He's never been one of my favorites, but I'll defintely be picking him up in MK11. But Sweet flying Christ, why is Skarlet so goddamned ugly? I only really noticed during the match Vs. Sonya during the Kombat Kast. Good thing you can slap a mask on her. Those bony cheeks and fish eyes aren't doing her any favors.

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    • Regarding Kabal's appearance in MK11, his design reminds me a something straight out of Mad Max.

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    • @Dynamo: I can see that.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      MKvsDC was that forgettable, to be fair.

      Am I the only one irked that this game is considered a main installment in the MK franchise, despite it's status as a non-canonical crossover? What's even more compounding is that the upcoming game has "11" in it's title, despite being the tenth official fighting entry. And this started with the trend of people referring to Mortal Kombat (2011) as "MK9", although we never got an "MK8" to begin with.

      Hell, I remember when Mortal Kombat (2011) was referred to as a reboot, when it's obvious that this was never the case. But, maybe I'm just thinking too much into this.

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    • No, I agree. MKvsDC shouldn't of been counted as "MK8", but for whatever reason it was, and just kinda rolled with the punches since then.

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    • They say a female fan favorite character will be revealed tomorrow. Any ideas who it could be? My money's on Jade or Kitana.

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    • My guess is on Mileena.

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    • Jade or Kitana seems like a safer bet.

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    • I honestly hope it's the former, because I think Kitana would be too obvious.

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    • I agree, but we've gotten "obvious" reveals before. Prior to when Quan Chi was revealed in MKX for instance, they said a character from MK4 would be shown soon. At least Kitana would be preferable to showing gameplay for D'Vorah who we already know about.

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    • And D'Vorah is who's favorite exactly?

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    • Right?

      Just occurred to me, but Taven was actually the first known MK character to have any time related powers, where he could halt time in the Shaolin Monks style Konquest mode to maneuver around enemies. I know it doesn't mean much, but interesting how someone we knew long before Kronika had a time related ability nonetheless.

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    • I think we're going to get both Jade and Kitana and we'll have Taven later, perhaps towards the end.

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    • Revenant Jade's lookin badass.

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    • I just hope Jade has more skins to showcase her sex appeal.

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    • The sex appeal era kinda died after MK9. But yeah, Jade has the best looking revenant design by far. Glad she got revealed first.

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    • And for some reason, Jade's revenant design in MK11 makes her look like a female version of Raziel from Soul Reaver.

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    • I wish NRS would just drop the whole revenant thing altogether. It's getting old really fast.

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    • I agree the revenant thing needs to go but a Alt outfit will hopefully bring her classic look back. Regardless I am so glad she's back!

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    • She's got alt outfits that make her look living.

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    • But I wonder what she's been up to ever since being MIA in MKX. I could assume she's become some sort of renegade revenant, much like how I picture Chameleon being a renegade Zaterran.

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    • I get a feeling with MK 11 they will drop the whole revenant thing with time shifts.

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    • @Blitz4560:  I can see that happening. It'd kinda be like the multiple timelines in The Legend of Zelda series, as well as the Mega Man franchise, to some extent.

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    • Jade does look good. I really hope they have a good explanation for her being missing.

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    • Yea good point with the time shifts. Don't think we will be seeing Hotaru as i previously was thinking before Jade was revealed. And yes she does look good. 

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    • Jade looks good, I'm just glad we'll have living skins of her and not be stuck with the silly revenant form.

      But one thing I wanted to mention is something I've realized from listening to most of the intros between the characters that have been revealed. It really seems like they've finally managed to give Baraka some depth and motivation outside of being an evil savage. He comes off more as being the ruthless leader of his people; he wants only to protect the tarkata, but will go to pretty much any length to achieve that. Never thought I'd say freaking Baraka has somewhat understandable motives.

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    • I really like Jade's costume in this game, and I'm not a puritan nor a Social Justice Warrior, but I appreciate the more practical, realistic approach the MK devs have taken to depicting their female characters since MKX. Jade's appearance looks more in line with her status as a regal assassin, and less like an accosted pole dancer ready to impale some guy's Adam's apple with her stripper heel because he touched her bum.

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    • I agree with you both Jay and Rich, it's about time the females get a more modest look to them and not wearing barley anything, it shows the franchise is growing. As far as Baraka goes I think he will have more depth this time around which is a plus.

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    • I am a little disappointed that some of the 3D era characters won't be joining in on the fun but maybe they will be revealed at the end. Like we could see Hotaru and other Seidans plotting against the powers that be on Earthrealm and Outworld.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I am a little disappointed that some of the 3D era characters won't be joining in on the fun but maybe they will be revealed at the end. Like we could see Hotaru and other Seidans plotting against the powers that be on Earthrealm and Outworld.

      Well, I still have hope that Fujin will make the main roster.

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    • I think we will see Fujin, he was battling with Raiden at the beginning of MKX and now that in the prolgue of MK11 with Raiden beheading Shinnok I think we will see Raiden will seeking Fujin's help...

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    • Yeah. Him not being playable in MKX was the biggest middle finger. Also, I'm not sure if Raiden would seek Fujin's help, or perhaps Fujin would think Raiden is taking things too far.

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    • I'm sure that both Fujin and Bo' Rai Cho will both make it into the main roster.

      And I have to say that I doubt that Fujin would help Raiden behead an elder God. In fact, I'm sure Raiden was by himself when he had Shinnok.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I'm sure that both Fujin and Bo' Rai Cho will both make it into the main roster.

      And I have to say that I doubt that Fujin would help Raiden behead an elder God. In fact, I'm sure Raiden was by himself when he had Shinnok.

      Indeed. At least Fujin is more sane than Raiden is now.

      About Bo' Rai Cho, I wonder what happened to him after he got tortured by Shinnok and the Revenants. It's just odd that they'd leave his fate ambiguous.

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    • Good point. 

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I'm sure that both Fujin and Bo' Rai Cho will both make it into the main roster.

      Whoa. You're SURE Bo' Rai Cho will make in onto the main roster?? Bold statement, sir. Given that he was DLC in X and isn't really liked by a whole helluva lot of fans, I'd say he's got next to no chance of making it.

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    • I don't think he will be on the main roster either, I certainly won't be devastated if he's not included. 

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    • Main reason why I say he will, at least should, is because of how open his fate was. Plus, I can see Bo'Rai Cho going up against Raiden in a battle of, for a lack of better terms, with. They would probably have to put their BS to the side and work together to defeat both Shao Kahn and Kronika though.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      Main reason why I say he will, at least should, is because of how open his fate was. Plus, I can see Bo'Rai Cho going up against Raiden in a battle of, for a lack of better terms, with. They would probably have to put their BS to the side and work together to defeat both Shao Kahn and Kronika though.

      Yeah, I'm defintely just expecting some dialogue explanation of Bo' being gone/dead/lost within the story mode.

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    • RichFromStaten wrote:
      I really like Jade's costume in this game, and I'm not a puritan nor a Social Justice Warrior, but I appreciate the more practical, realistic approach the MK devs have taken to depicting their female characters since MKX. Jade's appearance looks more in line with her status as a regal assassin, and less like an accosted pole dancer ready to impale some guy's Adam's apple with her stripper heel because he touched her bum.

      While I don't fully agree I respect that you're being more reasonable about it than most others I've seen. I just find it silly that ultra-violence and gore is acceptable, but some cleavage or exposed skin sends everyone fainting on their couch and clutching their pearls. That's my problem with the neo-puritan stance NRS seems to have taken with the female fighters. Even if it is sometimes silly and impractical I don't see how the female fighers having idealized bodies and revealing outfits would really hurt the game's sales and rep. Especially when SCIV is about to release a batch of DLC outfits that were literally designed by an actual hentai artist. And that game's been doing fairly well. It's just puzzling to me.

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    • @Jayspider: Agreed. I mean, it's not like they're naked or anything, unless you count Mileena's Flesh Pits costume from MK9.

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    • I also don't see the reason to be all butt-hurt about making the female fighters sexy. But that's probably one of a few reasons why we have the gear system in MK11.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I also don't see the reason to be all butt-hurt about making the female fighters sexy. But that's probably one of a few reasons why we have the gear system in MK11.

      ^^THIS!

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    • I do mean that if you really want the stripper outfits just gear it up.

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    • @Dragonspyne: Right, sorta like in the upcoming Dead or Alive 6.

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    • Jayspyder wrote:
      RichFromStaten wrote:
      I really like Jade's costume in this game, and I'm not a puritan nor a Social Justice Warrior, but I appreciate the more practical, realistic approach the MK devs have taken to depicting their female characters since MKX. Jade's appearance looks more in line with her status as a regal assassin, and less like an accosted pole dancer ready to impale some guy's Adam's apple with her stripper heel because he touched her bum.
      While I don't fully agree I respect that you're being more reasonable about it than most others I've seen. I just find it silly that ultra-violence and gore is acceptable, but some cleavage or exposed skin sends everyone fainting on their couch and clutching their pearls. That's my problem with the neo-puritan stance NRS seems to have taken with the female fighters. Even if it is sometimes silly and impractical I don't see how the female fighers having idealized bodies and revealing outfits would really hurt the game's sales and rep. Especially when SCIV is about to release a batch of DLC outfits that were literally designed by an actual hentai artist. And that game's been doing fairly well. It's just puzzling to me.

      The culture, politics, or stances (for lack of better words) in the West is pretty different from the East (especially now), so blame MK being a Western made franchise unlike SC or DoA whose teams over in Japan still embrace their female sexualization.

      The female form's toned down exposure doesn't really bother me with MK either way though, but I get where people on both sides are coming from. I admittedly like that kind of eye candy here and there, but it was never an essential part of the MK experience for me or anything.

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    • @Ridley: I'm in the same boat as you. Yeah, the eye candy is fantastic but completely unnecessary.

      By the way, speaking of gear systems, I haven't played a game with a gear system yet. Can you save a particular gear set?

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    • One thing I didn't notice until some pointed it out, is in the Jade trailer when you see her fighting Baraka, there's a dead husk of Goro in the background. Onaga's existence confirmed?

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    • I'm thinking that could be an allusion to Shang Tsung's return (lIke say he came back and he devoured all these souls to bring him back to strength)

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    • Wow, that would be quite a return for Shang Tsung.

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    • @Dragonspyne: For sure.

      On the other hand, I'm really sick of people whining about the proportions of the female characters (particularly the breasts) being more realistic. I mean, do they really want them to end up like anything Rob Liefeld has ever drawn? In case you're wondering who I'm talking about, Rob Liefeld is a comic book artist who has a thing for bad anatomies. Honestly, I would not want any of the MK characters to end up like what he's ever done.

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    • Yeah, I see the argument for keeping them sexy (which I can see for Mileena) but the other characters make more sense if they’re not overly sexy designs.

      That said I’d prefer it if they used more then one body type for the female characters but that’s just me

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    • I definitely wanna see the return of Onaga down the line at some point over the next few games. Besides he is a very popular boss character in Mortal Kombat next to Shao Kahn and many others.

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    • I agree that the sexiness of the girls has gone a bit too over the top. I really like the eye candy but I would think we should have realistic standards for the characters.

      When it comes to Onaga, I guess we just don't have him because of the time change. Somehow, Raiden convinced Shujinko to not continue his quest. But it doesn't explain the death of Goro and the rest if Shang Tsung's Island.

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    • As I said above that could be Tsu g’s return or alternately Kronika’s doing (we know she’s rewrote events from MK1)

      For Onaga I’m expecting him to be the next big threat (how insane would it be if Kronika’s actions brought the Dragon King from the Old Timeline?)

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I agree that the sexiness of the girls has gone a bit too over the top. I really like the eye candy but I would think we should have realistic standards for the characters.

      When it comes to Onaga, I guess we just don't have him because of the time change. Somehow, Raiden convinced Shujinko to not continue his quest. But it doesn't explain the death of Goro and the rest if Shang Tsung's Island.

      Right. Like I said before, I wouldn't want both the males and females to end up like any of Rob Liefeld's drawings, like that infamous Captain America pic. I'm sorry for getting a little off track, but I just had to bring that up.

      Regarding Onaga, I wonder if there would be anyone else stupid enough to revive him. I've always thought of Goro as a possible candidate for that.

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    • We'll have to see if anything came of the Goro and Onaga comics cliffhanger, given the multiple timeline stuff. The Goro death hint doesn't really surprise me; if a crippled Goro was to be used as a vessel for the dragon king, he was unlikely to come out alive.

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    • I don't think Goro is actually dead. They just put a Shokan body of him in the background. Besides, Goro is John Vogel's favorite character.

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    • It looked like a withered husk of him, and not like they're above killing off favorites here and there. Goro may very well be dead for the time being.

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    • It would be crazy if Onaga possessed Goro and his arms regrew. After that, Onaga comes out of the husk that is Goro.

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    • I'd be for that.

      So take with a grain of salt, but...

      https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/02/19/bayonetta-creator-teases-crossover-with-mortal-kombat-11/

      Not sure how I'd feel about Bayonetta.

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    • If MK crosses over with anything it must be KI (DC Universe 2 tho....)

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    • I never heard of Bayonetta but it seems like a fun game when I just checked it out. I don't think it's for MK though.

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    • For Kronika and Geras, I think they are some sort of time Gods by the looks of it.

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    • Right. And I kinda think that they could actually be "better" than Gods also. Maybe God killers?

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    • They MIGHT be Elder Gods but, I can't really tell.

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    • Blitz4560 wrote:
      They MIGHT be Elder Gods but, I can't really tell.

      I could definitely be wrong here, but I don't think either of them are Elder Gods. I'm basing this mostly off the fact that every incarnation of the Elder Gods hasn't given two shits about what happens among mortals. Kronika however, seems to give a whole bunch of shits, so if she is an Elder God, that's a pretty significant change in personality. But... Past plots and details are constantly rewritten, so who knows.

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    • Ridley Prime wrote:
      I'd be for that.

      So take with a grain of salt, but...

      https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/02/19/bayonetta-creator-teases-crossover-with-mortal-kombat-11/

      Not sure how I'd feel about Bayonetta.

      I doubt anything will come of it. Mostly because I don't think people want to see Bayo get brutally dismembered and mutilated. That and I'd personally be worried over how NRS would butcher ("tone down") her design.

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      I doubt anything will come of it. Mostly because I don't think people want to see Bayo get brutally dismembered and mutilated. That and I'd personally be worried over how NRS would butcher ("tone down") her design.

      So far some naturally think Kamiya is just trolling like Ed Boon typically does, but we'll have to see what happens I guess. If Bayo can do her stylish maiming kills from her games as fatalities and such which people would want to see, seeing her head ripped off and stuff by her opponents is a fair tradeoff I would think. No matter how she would look in the game, I'd welcome her just for being a breath of fresh air from the usual 3rd parties MK tends to get (horror movie icons which is getting overdone at this point), and thinking about it more now, her series is pretty violent/graphic itself with the way she can kill enemies, so she wouldn't be that contrived or bad fit IMO.

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    • Well, she does hail from an M-rated franchise like MK. It worked for Kratos in MK9, so if he can be in MK, why not Bayonetta?

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    • Her creator would be okay with her being killed too apparently. Link.

      So, at least there wouldn't be special treatment with her like there was with Kratos if she ends up being in the game. Sony wanted Kratos to have different animations when a fatality was done on him, which resulted in some of what we got.

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    • @Ridley Prime: Interesting.

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    • @DLKMK: The only exception to your statement about the Elder Gods not caring would be Shinnok. He cared that the universe would be his and the mortals that didn't serve him would die.

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    • There's also Raiden but he's on and off as an Elder God

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    • @Dragonspyne: Speaking of Shinnok, some Playstation Europe magazine seems to have leaked him as being in the game. I don't know if it means anything or not.

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    • @Dragon: That's technically true, although Shinnok was a FALLEN Elder God when all that went down. He was kicked out specifically for that reason. Then again, I suppose the same could've happened to Kronika and/or Geras and now they're renegades like Shinnok was, but if so, that'd be kinda lame, since it'd just be Shinnok's plot again, slightly tweaked.

      @Hellbeast: You mentioned Raiden as an "on and off Elder God," but to me, regardless of his status, his actual species isn't Elder God, it's only God. Now that could simply be a part of the lore that just isn't completely fleshed out yet, but as far as we know from all the games up until this point, the Elder Gods aren't anything else BUT Elder Gods, evidenced by Shinnok being banished, yet he's still referred to be an Elder God as his actual species. Raiden, on the other hand, basically got a bump up on his paygrade for the short time when he was granted Elder status.

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    • @DLKMK: I agree that it would be a lame plot. Also, take in mine that, fallen or not, Shinnok is an Elder God.

      @Dynamo: Europe would be right though. Shinnok is in the game but maybe not playable.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      @DLKMK: I agree that it would be a lame plot. Also, take in mine that, fallen or not, Shinnok is an Elder God.

      @Dynamo: Europe would be right though. Shinnok is in the game but maybe not playable.

      Yeah. It kinda reminds me of that issue of GameInformer where they said that Kintaro would be DLC in MK9, but it turned out to be wrong.

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    • Yeah, I don't trust Shinnok being on the roster till I see it. I hope not since his playstyle would kinda make Shang Tsung redundant.

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    • @Ridley Prime: Yeah. As much as I love Shinnok, I'd rather have Shang Tsung in MK11. He's well needed for a comeback.

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    • I would love to see Shang Tsung in this new game.

      Question: How wild would it be if we found out that Dark Liu Kang has been Shang Tsung this whole time? Like Liu Kang is too pure to go to Netherrealm and he's been captured this whole time?

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    • Plot twist lol

      I can see a Shinnok type gear but I think that's all

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    • If Shang is being teased by his movie actor, this bodes well. Link.

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    • A bit new here, mostly a browser. Excited for the game like everyone else.

      For the roster, I hope NRS takes advantage of the premier skins they did with Injustice 2. We could get Frost for Sub-Zero, Kai for Liu Kang, Jarek for Kano, Mavado for Kabal, Mileena for Kitana (with her sai being available as weapon equips), and generally an easy to bring back many characters who had similar movesets and abilities to previous ones with this. I know some will want these characters individually, and I share that desire, but premier skins is an easy way to get a decent number of them.

      I've seen a lot of talk about Onaga. I honestly don't think he'll appear. Not that I don't like him, he's one of MK's top three biggest bads alongside Shao Kahn and Shinnok, but I feel like having him would tear the focus away from their new villain Kronika, so NRS probably wouldn't go for it. We might be lucky enough to get him as DLC like Kahn, but we don't know yet for certain. 

      Now the story......

      Honestly there are some great ideas there. But MK9 and MKX had great ideas to. I'm expecting another sub-par afair with really good koncepts, that'll hopefully at least be better than MKX's story, which I was not a fan of. 

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    • Jayspyder wrote:
      Blitz4560 wrote:
      Another thing too, NRS needs to stop treating Liu Kang like shit. I have had enough of it. 
      You aren't the only one. Its seriously gotten old. Its like ever since Deadly Alliance they've been hellbent on displaying some sort of weird contempt for him. I know people who enjoyed Zombie Liu Kang in Deception and Armageddon, but for me it just felt like a slap in the face and worse than just killing him off. What's really irritating is that Liu has a lot of potential to be a great character story-wise, a hero who has character flaws (at times his ego does seem to rival Johnny's), has his beliefs challenged and goes through changes. But NRS seems intent on making him a whiny generic villain because...they think its cool and edgy, I guess?

      I to am sick of them treating Liu Kang this way. Shujinko to. Fuck Cassie's MKX ending.

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    • Jayspyder wrote:
      I wish people in the Kommunity would realize that calling a character "generic" or "boring" is hardly ever a valid criticism. Because it can literally be said about any character. But I see this almost everywhere now, and with a variety of characters. If someone doesn't like Character X they always describe them with those two words which don't really mean anything except that the character doesn't meet your personal preferences. Just something that's been irritating me.

      Same. One thing I love about this franchise is that every single character has potential to be more developed, they just need to be given the opportunity.

      Yes, even Meat, Mokap, and Tsu Hao.

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    • You know, I don't mind Hsu Hao getting another chance. Both Meat and Mokap are joke characters and, unless they can really contribute to MK story, should be revamped as skins for other characters.

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    • Hsu Hao is neat to me because in a franchise full of backstabbers or villains being kept on a leash under promises, someone genuinely loyal not even to a specific master so much as their organization is pretty cool to see. I also think his design is simple but works.

      As for Meat and Mokap, I love them as jokes, but they have story potential. Meat is interesting because he's unlike any of Shang Tsung's other creations. He doesn't seem to really want any part in his or Shao Kahn's machinations and just wanted to get out and probably just be himself. Not to mention it's a bit of expectation subversion since you'd expect something with his appearance to be evil or a non-sentient zombie serving someone else.

      Mokap I feel makes a great friend for Johnny. Someone who knows him as both an actor and a fighter, and maybe a little as a person, and, having been thrust into fights for the fate of the realms himself in the past, can understand what Johnny's going through. Plus, a character who sees Johnny as something other than annoying is kinda unique in and of itself.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      You know, I don't mind Hsu Hao getting another chance. Both Meat and Mokap are joke characters and, unless they can really contribute to MK story, should be revamped as skins for other characters.

      I think Hsu Hao would work if he were repackaged as a leader of some kind. He was obviously styled as a Mongolian, a fierce and intimidating fighter. So to me, it felt awkward for him to be a second-in-command to Mavado of the Red Dragon. Hsu Hao would have worked a lot better if built up to be a fierce leader, like a modern military Genghis Khan.

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    • @RdcTohoKingdom: Okay, you make some good points about both Meat and Mokap. I still doubt they will be in MK11 though.

      @Dynamo: I like your ideas for Hsu Hao. I think he would work if he was a leader. But now we would have to come up with a completely different clan.

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    • @Dragonspyne: Speaking of the Red Dragon, I think they should retcon Darrius as a Red Dragon member as opposed to being from Orderrealm (although, it's kind of doubtful). I recall that concept art originally depicted him as such.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      @RdcTohoKingdom: Okay, you make some good points about both Meat and Mokap. I still doubt they will be in MK11 though.

      @Dynamo: I like your ideas for Hsu Hao. I think he would work if he was a leader. But now we would have to come up with a completely different clan.

      Wasn't saying they were going to be in the game, just that they have potential.

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    • Dynamo68 wrote:
      Dragonspyne wrote:
      You know, I don't mind Hsu Hao getting another chance. Both Meat and Mokap are joke characters and, unless they can really contribute to MK story, should be revamped as skins for other characters.
      I think Hsu Hao would work if he were repackaged as a leader of some kind. He was obviously styled as a Mongolian, a fierce and intimidating fighter. So to me, it felt awkward for him to be a second-in-command to Mavado of the Red Dragon. Hsu Hao would have worked a lot better if built up to be a fierce leader, like a modern military Genghis Khan.

      This is a great idea. Him taking over from Mavado (Or I guess Daegon depending on timeline?) would be sweet. But unfortunately Boon's Main punched his face in so that probably won't happen. Shame to, I liked the bulkier look they gave him in the comic. 

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    • Dynamo68 wrote:
      @Dragonspyne: Speaking of the Red Dragon, I think they should retcon Darrius as a Red Dragon member as opposed to being from Orderrealm (although, it's kind of doubtful). I recall that concept art originally depicted him as such.

      They could have him ally himself with the clan, but I don't think they'd outright change his origin. 

      Unless they could tie him into Quan Chi that is (Looks at Noob Saibot and Sindel) 

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    • Also can Netherrealm please just put the movie song into a game. That would be awesome.

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    • I'd support that! lol

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    • @Dynamo: I can totally see Darrius as a Red Dragon from Orderrealm. And maybe Hsu Hao should still be a part of Red Dragon but have his own group.

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    • So, it seems another character will get revealed tomorrow.

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    • Any predictions for tomorrow?

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    • Johnny Cage hopefully.

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    • I definitely predict Johnny Cage will be revealed tomorrow. But later tonight, IGN and NRS will reveal another character.

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    • Noob!

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    • Either one would be fantastic!

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    • Johnny Cage is back, everyone.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      @Dynamo: I can totally see Darrius as a Red Dragon from Orderrealm. And maybe Hsu Hao should still be a part of Red Dragon but have his own group.

      In his Armageddon ending Hsu Hao dies, becomes a demon, and takes over the Netherrealm. 

      I want THAT story.

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    • @RdcTohoKingdom: I've always had a hard time imagining what Hsu Hao would look like in his demon form from his Armageddon ending. I guess he'd look as bad as Drahmin.

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    • Maybe they could do something simple. Look at Scorpion for example. He's a hellspawn or a spectre or whatever and looks mostly human. Hsu Hao could look the same with different powers and probably glowing white or red eyes. 

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    • Also unpopular opinion: I like Drahmin's design. 

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    • RdcTohoKingdom wrote:
      Also unpopular opinion: I like Drahmin's design. 

      I disagree that this is an unpopular opinion on the simple grounds that I too like Drahmin's design. Especially the Face of Kun-Lo mask.

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    • I agree that Drahmin looks awesome. Both he and Moloch deserve better.

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    • @ Rdc & Dynamo68 agreed

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    • I too wanna see those two oni.

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    • Dragonspyne wrote:
      I too wanna see those two oni.

      Indeed. Plus, Moloch is in need of his first set of Fatalities, along with others like Onaga, Taven, Daegon, Blaze, and maybe Chameleon and Khameleon.

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    • We need characters like Jax and Ermac revealed rather soon. They are very popular, especially Ermac.

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    • I think they're given, but out of those who were absent last game, apart from Shang who was already teased, I hope to see Nightwolf back.

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    • Nightwolf and the Oni bois would be friggin great. 

      Didn't expect to see this much support for ol' Moloch and Drahmin but I'm glad. Underrated characters need to get their due, not be offed in prequel comics.

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    • Dynamo68 wrote:
      Dragonspyne wrote:
      I too wanna see those two oni.
      Indeed. Plus, Moloch is in need of his first set of Fatalities, along with others like Onaga, Taven, Daegon, Blaze, and maybe Chameleon and Khameleon.

      Yessssssss.

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    • I thought of one for Chameleon:

      He turns invisible. The opponent looks around. Suddenly Scorpion's spear shoots out of nowhere and impales. The opponent is pulled to the ground. They get struck by Rain's lightning. Chameleon becomes visible again, and before the opponent can try to crawl away, he freezes them, then summons a shadow clone Noob Saibot style to crush them into itty bitty peices with one well-placed stomp. He becomes visible again and does a victory pose.

      CHAMELEON WINS: FATALITY.

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    • Blaze's could be simple: He just horribly burns the opponent to death.

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    • For the supposed leak they are talking about, I don't buy it for one second. I don't want anymore new characters for this game.

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    • I don't mind new characters, so long as they actually develop like they did with.....about an eigth of the MKX newcomers.



      Also, Mokap fatality idea:

      He preforms a bunch of motions in the air just in front of the opponent, seemingly doing nothing. The game then cuts to the editing room where we see it's being edited so that it's a Tarkatan slashing the frick out of the opponent.

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    • @Blitz: I agree with you. We have enough old characters who aren't getting any love that should.

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    • This is very true. Hopefully the four or so newcomers we have are the last ones so older characters can come back.

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    • I wouldn't mind if there were twenty new characters as long as we got more than that in old characters.

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