User talk:CavalierTunes/Archive 1

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Mortal Kombat Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Blaze page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Smoke. (Talk) 10:30, June 28, 2010

RE:72.199.44.244
I warned him about removing content from your page. As it was not an obvious attempt at vandalism (he didn't insult you or anything; he was removing the stuff you said about him on your page), I did not block him. For future reference, please take that discussion to either his talk page, or the article's talk page. Do not continuously revert edits on the article; it is disruptive. For now, I have protected the article from any further edits.  Smoke Sound off! 17:20, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for protecting the article and for warning him. However, I do believe his actions were vandalism, he removed the stuff on my page before I posted anything about him there. I posted all of that as a reaction to his vandalism. And, I would've posted it on either my talk page or the Sareena talk page (in fact, read my initial "post," where I encourage him to reply on my talk page), except that I was unsure he knew how to use a talk page (since I had left him a message on his own talk page). I was sure he'd see the post on my userpage, because he had already vandalized it twice. 17:29, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK. Well, if he does it again after I've warned him, I'll block him. It would appear that he doesn't know how to use a talk page.  Smoke Sound off! 17:31, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. 17:35, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Apologies for the delay. He is now blocked.  Smoke Sound off! 02:56, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated, Smoke! :) 02:59, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Edits to Sareena and my UserPage
moved from: CavalierTunes: UserPage

User:72.199.44.244 has repeatedly edited the Sareena page with false edits. As I've explained numerous times before, Kia and Jataaka are no longer Sareena's allies, since she stopped working for Quan Chi. And, just because a character is a "good" guy, does not mean that he or she is Sareena's ally. However User:72.199.44.244 has made numerous edits to the Sareena page to the contrary. As of now, I've corrected his or her edits 11 times. And he or she has edited my user page deleting all its content twice. I am putting this up here now in the hopes that User:72.199.44.244 will see this and next time he or she feels the urge to vandalize my page he or she will instead opt to comment on my talk page and discuss his or her feelings so that we can come to a compromise concerning Sareena's page.


 * Dear Cavalier tunes,i get it but you are changing the allies and enemies and they are right please stop. i changed kia and jataaka ally with sareena to enemy but stop changing the ally and enemy.


 * Tell me when she was allied with Raiden or Johnny Cage or Kitana or any of the other allies you mentioned. Or when she was enemies with Mileena or Shao Kahn. Just because Sareena is good doesn't mean that Raiden is her ally, necessarily, and it doesn't make Shao Kahn her enemy, necessarily. In fact, I don't know that many of them have even met. Up until Armageddon, Sareena hadn't even been in the same game as Shao Kahn or Mileena. Please explain.  04:00, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * it just said in there group of allies and enemies. mortal kombat characters have to have many friends. mabey we can work this out. are you a boy or girl


 * I'm a guy (and you?). I completely agree that they're all on the same side. But that's what this page is for. Sareena was never in the same game as Shao Kahn or Mileena until Mortal Kombat: Armageddon. And she was not the same game as Kai, for instance, until Mortal Kombat: Armageddon either; and Kai is a member of the White Lotus, while Sareena is (sort of) a member of the Lin Kuei. They may have never even met, so I don't believe it's fair to say they are "allies." Ashrah and Ermac hate one another, for instance, and they're both good guys. Similarly Sheeva and Motaro hate each other, even though they're both bad guys. Is there a specific reason why you think they should be listed as allies and enemies? Maybe there's something I don't know about.  04:33, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * i am a boy to. sareena made friends with people from the netherealm like shujinko ashra ermac and nightwolf,made enemies with Quan chi shinnok noob smoke kia jataaka amd mileena in the netherealm when her soul was sent to the netherealm by shinnok,made friends with sub zero kai johnny cage jax kitana shujinko raiden stryker and cyrax in earthrealm,made friend with li mei in out world and made enemies with shao kahn in outworld.your making mistakes on people you erased liu kang for kung lao's allies ill fix them AGAIN!!!!!!


 * I'll give you that Sareena met Shujinko, because they interacted in Mortal Kombat: Deception's Konquest Mode. However, when did she meet Nightwolf or Ermac? Just because they were both in the Netherrealm, doesn't mean they ever met. And, most likely, she's enemies with Ashrah if anything, because Ashrah hates all demons, like Sareena. And Sareena had stopped working for Quan Chi before Mileena died and went to the Netherrealm, so there's a good chance they never met there either. Just because she was on Earthrealm doesn't mean she's every even met Johnny Cage, Jax, Kitana, Raiden, Stryker, or Cyrax. You and I both live on Earth and we've never met each other - in fact, we probably live in the same country - the Lin Kuei is Chinese and Styker's American, so how would Sareena and Stryker have met? And when she was in Outworld, who's to say she even meet Shao Kahn or Li Mei? Shao Kahn was in hiding during Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance, which was when Sareena was in Outworld. Just because they're on the same side doesn't mean they're enemies or allies. Also, Liu Kang is no longer Kung Lao's ally as of Mortal Kombat: Armageddon; read Fujin's biography for that game if you don't believe me. Tell me, definitively, that Sareena has met the people that you said she's allies or enemies with, and then maybe we can work this out.  05:29, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * liu kang and raiden fought fugin and kung lao and after the battle fugin and kung lao won and they were friends again. mebey sareena mede friends and enemies off screen but mabey it happened like the deadly alliance killed the earth warriors but we didnt see it.


 * We don't know who won the battles between Kung Lao and Liu Kang, and Raiden and Fujin. We don't know what happened after Armageddon, yet. And "maybe" Sareena making friends isn't good enough. "Maybe" Reiko and Jade used to be married before Mortal Kombat I we have no proof that they were or they weren't. "Maybe" also means "maybe not." You're right that they're probably friends, but we don't have proof. Just the other day someone wrote that Kitana is going to be in the new Mortal Kombat game. I had to delete that. Why? Because even though Kitana's probably going to be in that game, almost 99% chance, until we have proof we cannot have it on Mortal Kombat Wikia. I'm sorry. But, we can't have any information on here that's just "maybe" true. Unless you can find some quote in the game that proves they were friends, or get Ed Boon himself to say that they were, we can't list them as allies. I'm sorry.  05:49, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * kung lao and fugin won before armagedon and they all joined to fightwith the forces of light if they didnt win they would join the forces of darkness. ps it was me who put kitana for mk9 reason 1 brenda barrie with the voice of her reason 2 sonya and kitana are confirmed to be in it reason 3 a graph of her shown chained in kahn's arena if you go on the wiki of mortal kombay 2011


 * Liu Kang and Raiden did join the forces of light, but Raiden was still "dark." Raiden was still fighting for the good guys, but he was making Liu Kang's corpse kill and assassinate people that he thought were opposed to them. Fujin and Kung Lao were going to stop Raiden and Liu Kang, because Fujin thought that Raiden was going too far - even though they were all good guys. Not to mention, Fujin's biography states that the only way to stop Raiden and Liu Kang were to kill them - so the two of them joining the Forces of Light in Armageddon means they weren't killed yet, meaning - if Kung Lao and Fujin won - the fight hadn't happened yet.
 * And yes, I know that Brenda Barrie was called in to do motion capture for Kitana (not her voice), however that was never 100% confirmed. Imdb deleted that reference (which said she was playing "Katana" not "Kitana") shortly after it was put up there. And, even if she and Sonya were in the background of the game, that doesn't mean they're playable - especially because Ed Boon said that those characters in the background were just placeholders. And, Sonya and Kitana were never confirmed for the game. They are probably going to be in it, however, Ed Boon might change his mind at the last minute, or maybe Brenda Barrie was doing motion capture for Jade instead of Kitana…we don't know yet. And we can't put something in without proof.
 * Now, please tell me what proof you have that Sareena is allied with all the people you said she was allied with. And what proof you have that Fujin and Kung Lao won against Raiden and Liu Kang. If you cannot provide me with any proof, I'm going to have to correct the allies and enemies list those pages - I'm sorry. Even though Sareena is probably friends with all the people you mentioned (except Ashrah) and even though Kitana and Sonya are probably going to be in the new game, we can't include that information until it's proven. 06:18, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Official Renders VS Fanart/Non-game Pictures
Hey, thank you for reverting my edit on Frost's page! I wanted to see if this wiki just let you put any old picture up for characters considering mileena's profile pic; It looks very revealing and more like a pic from deviant Art than a canonical game picture. It definitely draws unecessary attention to her article, even more so than just adding her playboy deception render somewhere as it is her main image. Shouldn't we revert that as well? Even if I'm mistaken and it is official, you'll never see Mileena dressed that way often enough to warrant such, and no other female combatant is that revealing so its unfair to their articles, which aren't as sexually appealing. The Robert: Your Hero (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 03:33, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, we couldn't have the Frost picture up as her primary profile picture because it was not an official render. As for Mileena, the primary profile picture is an official render. And the reason it's staying up (despite how obviously sexual it is) is because it is her primary costume for Mortal Kombat (2011). Every character's profile picture should have an official render or in-game picture from the most recent game they were in. Yes, Mileena's is very sexual, but it's her official costume from her latest appearance. 03:41, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * My goodness your signature takes a lot of script. Well that seems reasonable enough, and now that I think about it I remember seeing her fight Johnny Cage in that costume during the new trailer. I'll try to contribute more official pictures to the character pages. Probably first appearances and such. The Robert: Your Hero (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 03:58, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Howdy, 'bout that one guy...
http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:166.205.138.234

This guy, the one who keeps editing the Allies and Enemies section of various kombatants. I spent some time undoing his edits because a lot of them make no sense to me. I don't know how all things work on this site, since I only just got here, but I want to help every way I can. I think he should be banned. EDIT: Sorry, I always forgot to sign these things. --Nave Ninja 18:47, July 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just keep on correcting his errors, and he'll be banned soon if he doesn't stop. The same guy was doing the same thing a month ago (under a different IP), and the mods eventually banned him. It won't be long before he's banned yet again. Thanks for helping correct his errors! 22:28, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Put those characters back
Dude I know those characters are confirmed, I just checked it on MK Universe and they said they were confirmed, thats what the Mortal Kombat Warehouse posted so check that site and see if i'm not lying.12.129.139.239 05:30, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I read the source. And, as far as I can tell, the site has one user claiming that that's what Playstation Magazine said. With regards to Cyrax and Kano, there was a screenshot. However, MKUniverse's post was, again, made by one user, who might be lying. Once the new issue of the magazine is released, we'll know for sure. It may be that they are confirmed. But we cannot have speculation on the site. Also, read this; I think it explains how the MKUniverse post may be little more than speculation. 05:41, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have actually read the magazine (a scan of it, anyway), and it states, quite clearly, "We expect that Liu Kang, Kitana, Jax, Smoke and Sonya Blade will make an appearance". That may not be exact, but I do recall the important word, and that is EXPECT. Meaning they don't actually know. Now, granted, it is very likely that these five WILL be in the game, but that's not the same as saying they ARE in the game (although I myself am hopeful, because Smoke is hardly the sort of character one would immediately think of). CrashBash 06:17, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Why have you left Cyrax and Kano there? They were first said on MK Universe. Also, this may be a different magazine they are talking about (the one with some doll thing from LittleBig Planet on the cover).12.129.139.239 07:45, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * As I said before, with Cyrax and Kano, there was a screenshot. However, the new Playstation Magazine article says they expect to see Kitana, Liu Kang, Jax, Smoke, and Sonya, not that they're confirmed. And that's true: I expect that all five of those characters will be in the game, however, they're not confirmed yet.  In fact, I'm almost 100% sure that they'll all be in the game; but until we have an official source saying they are (not that they're just probably going to be), we can't have it on the site.  07:51, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

The Scorpion censor
I do agree with leaving it uncensored, it was just like that (**** and *****) for quite a while before someone came in and changed it. Personally, I have no problem with it. --Nave Ninja 10:26, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Let's debate.
http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Classic_Sub-Zero#Aight_Cavalier.2C_I.27ll_bite._Let_us_debate.

--Nave Ninja 17:08, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Onaga's servants
Actually Kira, Kobra and Kabal served him in Mortal Kombat Deception, there is a loading screen that shows Onaga giving orders to Kobra, so that is a proof and in Shujinko's ending he says that villains would bring their own destructions by serving Onaga! Tesshu-When The Law Fails to Serve Justice one can buy Justice. 03:29, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * If anything that load screen only proves Kobra's servitude, not the rest of Kabal and Havik's Black Dragon. Additionally, we have no proof of whether or not that load screen is canon.  Nor do we know to which villains Shujinko is referring (and, let's not forget that Shujinko is anything but a reliable source).   20:42, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ninjamadness Question
Thanks dude I im new to this so I dont know how to make the words orange but check out my Pinwheel article. Ninjamadness 20:27, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a good start, Ninjamadness, but you need to make some corrections. First of all, officially, Sonya's Mortal Kombat 4 weapon was called a wind blade, and there's already a page for that.  Secondly, never refer to anything that isn't verifiable (e.g. don't refer to Sonya's "pinwheel as a "joke weapon" unless you can prove that the Mortal Kombat Team intended it to be a "joke weapon").  Additionally, I read your article on Kitana's flying blade, and I do not believe that it was another name for her steel fans; it was small, and red, and not at all reminiscent of a fan in any way.  You need to continue research before making new articles.  That being said, your initiative is laudable, and keep that up!  If you start doing a little more research, you'll be a very good editor very soon.
 * And, to answer your question, to make a word into a link (or "make the words orange"), all you need to do is put the words into two brackets on either side &#91;&#91;like this&#93;&#93;.  20:42, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Tanya's descent
IsTanya African Edenian or Caucasian Edenian. Its very confusing


 * Although it is never explicitly stated, I have always assumed that she is either of dark-skinned Edenian descent, like Jade, or is of a mixed-race Edenian descent. Good question.   22:50, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

My sincere apologies
So you can please tell to Smoke, Cavaliertunes, to unlock Johnny Cage's page, so that we can stop this misunderstanding! Tesshu_When The Law Fails to Serve Justice one can buy Justice. 05:47, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Another problem with 12.129.139.239.
http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:12.129.139.239#I.27m_not_going_back_and_forth_with_you_on_this.

You're seeing this, he's editing out a section on Mileena's page under the Relationships section, about her and Reptile being close in MK:SM. He's downright refusing to even talk about it, and has been rather cold. I tried to start talking with him about it, but it's getting a little sad. He's acting like it's his god-given right to determine what goes under the section because it was his idea. I believe that the majority should determine if it's good or not, so I'm sorry, but I'm forced to bring you in to help solve the dispute. --Nave Ninja 00:51, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Jade in Mortal Kombat 9!
Hey there Cavaliertunes! I want ask you this: Can I add Jade in a section of Mortal Kombat (2011) in "Rumored Characters" list, because you knwon that Her arena Jade's Desert is confirmed so that is a reference that, jade will be indeed in the upcoming Mortal Kombat game dont you think? Tesshu, When The Law Fails to Serve Justice one can buy Justice. 01:41, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, plain and simple. Just like Goro's Lair appeared in Mortal Kombat II, despite the fact that Goro was not in the game, Jade's Desert might appear in Mortal Kombat (2011) whether or not Jade is in the game.  Don't rush to assume.  01:49, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Why?
Why do you keep changing back what i'm trying to do? I know there is no possible way they could have survived the wounds they have.12.129.139.239 05:06, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you actually played Mortal Kombat? In Mortal Kombat: Deception, for instance, you can stab someone in the gut with Kung Lao's broadsword, and that individual can still win the game. Yes, in real life they sure as hell would've died, but Kung Lao and Baraka wouldn't be fighting in mid air, and Shang Tsung wouldn't be transforming his appearance. Not to mention, if the opening video is even canon (I'm of the opinion that it isn't, but that's another debate entirely), it would conflict with the endings of about half the characters that you say were killed, because it obviously occurred before anyone has had a chance to fight Blaze. 05:14, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all, the stab move was not in Deception it is in Deadly Alliance. Second, Nave Ninja said the opening video of Armageddon was canon, this is all too confusing now, so just forget about this i'll just leave those alone if you so desire.12.129.139.239 05:29, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right, it was Deadly Alliance, not Deception; I mistyped. And yes, User:Nave Ninja and I disagree about whether the opening video is canon or not. However, that has no affect on the edits. Even if it was canon, we still have no proof that Li Mei and/or Sheeva were killed. 05:32, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I you are right. In Konquest mode, when you defeat Goro he said to Taven that "should we meet in the battle" or something like that, and he did not show up in the opening scene, so I guess the opening scene would be non canon.12.129.139.239 05:47, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just because Goro wasn't in the opening scene, that alone doesn't make it non-canon. --Nave Ninja 13:43, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * There is, in fact, no concrete reason why the opening video shouldn't be considered canon, as long as no one dies during the battle, Nave Ninja, (and I agree with your sentiment about Goro). However, I am of the opinion that the Mortal Kombat Team didn't intend the video to be canon, but rather as an interesting sequence depicting a big fight between all (or almost all) of the Mortal Kombat characters.  Certain things – like the fact that everyone has chosen a side, despite persons like Scorpion being neutral – make the movie feel out of place to me, without necessarily making it non-canon.  I agree with what you said about the "intro scene [being] canonical because it cannot be disproven as such," and I certainly cannot disprove the possibility that it is canon.  And, all my edits on this wiki will reflect the opinion that the intro scene is canon, despite my own personal beliefs.  In essence, you're right; unless that opening video is ever contradicted, it should be considered canon – and I will treat it as canon, despite the fact that I don't think it is intended to be viewed that way.  As always, Nave Ninja, keep up the good work – you're doing a great job!   16:09, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks. You're cool, too. --Nave Ninja 16:40, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Where did these come from?
Recently, at the top of many character's pages, it says "Insert Name Here is a fictional character in the Mortal Kombat series" or something like that. There is no page leading to fictional characters, because why would there be? Everything in Mortal Kombat is fiction. I've been removing them where I find them, but I haven't gone through all of the character's pages. --Nave Ninja 08:49, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * There used to be one, but it was deleted for not having any purpose. My apologies for jumping in, but that's pretty much it. CrashBash 15:18, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * As Crash said, there was once a page. I deleted it because by its very nature, the Mortal Kombat Universe and everything in it is fictional; there is no need to define a fictional character on a wiki that is about a fictional universe full of fictional characters. This is not wikipedia.


 * Also of note is the fact that pages like that are a remnant of when this wiki was a copy-paste wiki.  Smoke Sound off! 08:42, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Good job
Thanks for being the voice of reason here. I do greatly appreciate it. Keep up the good work.  Smoke Sound off! 08:42, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm always glad to help, Smoke.. Thank you! And, by the way, thank you, again, for being an active moderator – it's reassuring to know there's always someone like yourself to help during a conflict, to settle an issue, and to keep the site running smoothly! 16:46, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

The Smoke Debate
Thanks for letting me know. Not much else to say, but I agree with you on it, that we should just do what we did with Classic Sub-Zero's page. --Nave Ninja 05:55, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Jarek
That Jarek,thing actally happened just like the "Do you really want a pie?" thing you want the link to his MK4 ending? You'll see what I mean it's funny. Hangingmanpeter0 03:00, September 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * People make up tons of funny things that they think that the characters are saying (when most, if not all of the time, they're saying gibberish). However funny it may be, unless you can prove that the MK Team made it intentional funny – or if it is particularly notable for some other reason – we can't put it on the wiki. This isn't just a place to post every little tidbit of information tangentially related to Mortal Kombat, there has to be some level of discrimination here, otherwise we could post all sorts of things that (regardless of how "true" they may be) have little to do with the overall scheme of MK. For instance, did you know that Sareena's hair is similar to Rogue's from the X-Men, and that her facial tattoos resemble Sage's scars from the X-Men? However, since I can in now way prove that those similarities are intentional, and they're by no means important, they wouldn't be worthy of including on Sareena's page. Does that make sense? 07:13, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, remember to sign your posts! 07:17, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE: KedrickBurton
I warned him. If the behavior keeps up further action will be taken.  Smoke Sound off! 12:57, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

sonya
sonya has been confirmed in mk 2011 Kitana19669 23:49, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

sonya has been confirmed in mk 2011 Kitana19669 23:49, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

sonya has been confirmed in mk 2011 Kitana19669 23:49, September 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * First of all, please remember to sign your name to any post you make on a talk page (that is to say place "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" at the end of whatever you type on my or anyone else's talk pages). Second of all, please, only leave a message once, not three times. And, finally, please, tell what official source has confirmed Sonya to be in the new Mortal Kombat video game. Because, I certainly haven't heard that. No source I'm aware of has said that Sonya is going to be in the game. If you can tell me, and it is, in fact, an official source (that is to say, a member of the MK Team), then we'll certainly update the Mortal Kombat (2011 video game) page to reflect this new information! Otherwise, stop making false edits! 00:28, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sareena
Cavalier tune what are you doing to the sareena page sareena is a good alignment on ed boon stated shes good during the events of armageddon on her bio kard it said shes good and quan chi cast a spell on her for his servant then sareena was freed from the spell by taven and returned to sub zero so stop or ill tell smoke 72.199.42.243 00:52, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * First of all, please sign your posts. Second of all, please start a new section whenever you're starting a new topic on someone's talk page. Third of all, please, go ahead, tell Smoke., I'm doing everything by the books. And finally, read Sareena's talk page! That explains everything. If you have a problem with her alignment being listed as "Unknown," then debate about it there. Maybe you can convince Kombatgod to change his mind. To be honest, I tend to agree with you: I think Sareena is a good guy; however, the consensus on the talk page was to list her alignment as "Unknown." If you want to change it, then, please, contribute to the debate. And, by all means, remember to sign your posts. (place "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" after what you write on a talk page). 01:07, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * okay i dont know how to do it 72.199.42.243 01:14, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * First of all, don't write within what I wrote. Second of all, to sign you post, just write "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" after your post. It's that simple. 01:35, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey guys, don't fight 'till death! Seriously, if someone has something to say, do it in the talk page! Before changing things as I did, I warned three times in the discussion page! I always tought that editing this wiki is something one does not much to give information or for some kind of mission, but because it is fun! I don't care of imposing my point of view, I enjoy discussing about characters and trying to get to conclusions. So instead of menacing to bother Smoke, we should just discuss, don't you think? See ya in Sareena's discussion page!--Kombatgod 01:52, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Albeit, I have nothing to say about the topic. I said my piece on Sareena's discussion page. I only think that 72.199.42.243 should do the same. 01:58, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish you users can see she is good.Look on her other wiki when you get this message.Type in mortal kombat sareena on google,go to the second page and the only word it says is sareena.It tells you that she is good and what happend in her storyline.After that if you want.on the same page where you see her alignment,go to the bottom of the page and it shows all the characters.You'll learn evrything about them.I'm saorry for the edits of sareena to all users.I was just worried if we were gonna leave her alignment as unknown forever.Finally how can jade trip over her loincloth if she can attack in the armageddon opening scene and how to run.72.199.44.212 07:03, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Look, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I think Sareena is good too! However, I cannot allow it on the wiki if it hasn't been proven. If you want to change her alignment you must think like a lawyer. Don't use logical fallacies; prove your argument with concrete facts (not opinions); disprove opposing arguments. We cannot have any information on this wiki without proof! That is not debatable!
 * The page on the other wiki was very short, full of opinions, and contained no information I didn't already know. Let me make this clear: don't try to educate me about Mortal Kombat characters. I know it all already. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're misinformed or don't know what they're talking about (and, for the record: I don't disagree, I think Sareena's good too!). Not to mention, just because something is on another website doesn't mean it's somehow more accurate than Mortal Kombat Wiki. I hope that's clear.
 * And, to answer your question about Jade: no, she can't trip over her loincloth. It's a video game! guarantee you that the MK team wrote a function into the game's programming to ensure that she couldn't trip over her loincloth. Video games are not real life. I'm going to repeat that because I don't think you got it before: "Video games are not real life." Okay? Just because in real life wearing Jade's costume would be completely impractical doesn't mean that she's not going to wear it in a fictional video game. 07:25, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay.I know it's a video game,but it's a intro.The loincloth can't go through jade,so does this mean in real life,people can't trip and can run when they're wearing a loincloth.Also like I said,will we leave her alignment as Unkown forever.72.199.44.212 16:54, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've never worn a loincloth. But I'd imagine that if one were as long as Jade's that its wearer would likely trip on it easily.  That being said, even in an intro movie: it's still a video game.   16:59, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

thank you
thank you cavalier tunes for helping me with liu kang and others its me damion dillard Damion Dillard 02:18, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Keep up the good edits! And, (for future reference), you should sign your name at the end of each post on a talk page by writing "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" at the end of each comment. I edited it in for you on the above post. 02:25, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay but the reason why i edit sareena alignment is because it states on her bio kard said by ed boon she is good during the events of armageddon.Damion Dillard 02:30, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Understood. However, there's a debate regarding Sareena's alignment on her talk page.  Before you change her alignment, you should discuss it there.  Also, don't write your post within my post.   02:47, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

that's it
That's it i cant express this question any longer did jade's death in mortal kombat shaolin monk and annilation real or fake and i do not mean real people i mean did it really happend in her storyline.Damion Dillard 03:38, October 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, for god sakes, not another one.....hello, UMK3? Deception? Armageddon? If Jade had really died in Shaolin Monks, how could she be in any of those? Surely it's best to use common sense in a situation like this? CrashBash 06:46, October 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry for taking so long to respond, I've had a hell of a week! But, to answer your question: the main canon of the games includes (in canonical order):
 * Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero
 * Mortal Kombat: Special Forces
 * Mortal Kombat I
 * Mortal Kombat II
 * Mortal Kombat 3


 * Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
 * Mortal Kombat Trilogy
 * Mortal Kombat Advance
 * Ultimate Mortal Kombat


 * Mortal Kombat 4


 * Mortal Kombat Gold


 * Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance


 * Mortal Kombat: Tournament Edition


 * Mortal Kombat: Deception


 * Mortal Kombat: Unchained, and


 * Mortal Kombat: Armageddon.
 * That being said:
 * Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe exists in its own "universe," separate from all the other games.
 * Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks exists in its own "universe" separate from all the other games.
 * Mortal Kombat: Conquest exists in its own "universe" separate from all the games.
 * Mortal Kombat: Defenders of the Realm exists in its own "universe" separate from all the games.
 * The Mortal Kombat comic books exist in their own "universe" separate from all the games and the TV series:


 * except for the comic books that tie directly into the video games
 * although, the comic books that are part of their own universe are part of one that is very similar to the main universe, with only minor differences.


 * Mortal Kombat, the first movie and Mortal Kombat Annihilation exist within their own "universe" together apart from all the games.
 * The new Mortal Kombat video game, will exist in the same universe as the main canon, however with an altered timeline.
 * So, in short, the fact that Jade died in Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks and Mortal Kombat Annihilation is purely coincidental, and has no bearing on the main canon of the video game, in which she is still very much alive. I hope that answers your question. 00:18, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why you people always consider Ultimate Mortal Kombat a game in the series? It's not a game, it is a compilation of two games! It's like placing Midway Arcade Trasures somewhere in that list. But who cares, I responded because actually Mortal Kombat: Conquest takes place in the same universe as the movies. Also Mortal Kombat: Defenders of the Realm is a sequel to the first movie, but alternate to the second movie.--Kombatgod 04:07, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, regarding Ultimate Mortal Kombat, you're right. I had actually never really thought about it (probably because I never play "Puzzle Kombat", so I always thought of it as just Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 but with a new name) — mental note made!  I think placing Mortal Kombat: Conquest in the same universe as the movies is debatable.  Sure, some clips from the movies make it into the TV series, however the are certain anachronisms, like Sub-Zero and Scorpion's appearances, for instance.  And, as for Mortal Kombat: Defenders of the Realm, it cannot be within the same universe as the first Mortal Kombat movie, because within Defenders of the Realm Kano's still alive  (although, I suppose an argument could be made that he just cheated death with the help of Shao Kahn at the end of the first movie), but whatever.  I suppose you could make an argument for Defenders of the Realm and Conquest existing within the same canon as the movies, however, you could very easily make an argument for the opposite.   04:34, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Costumes
Excuse mu cavalier tunes r there any mortal kombat costumes left in california.72.199.46.176 23:03, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you speaking about Halloween costumes? I would check online for those, Mortal Kombat costumes are harder to come by these days, since MK isn't as popular as it once was. Whether or not you can find any in California, I can't say, I don't live in California — I live in New Jersey (and New York during the school year). I also don't work for WB Games, or any Halloween costume company, so I really can't say what they have available, or where they release it. So, if I were you, I'd check on some online costume stores, Amazon, or ebay. If you can't find a costume there, you could modify a generic ninja costume, into something that resembles Sub-Zero or Scorpion. Or you could just make your own costume from scratch. Good luck! 00:02, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Dont tease me
okay the reason why i keep telling people about ed boon if hes nice is because if i meet him will he tell me to put on a kitana costume and make fun of me and dont say t r u saying this anyway, so just stay yes or no and u can tell by the interviews from people from mortal kombat 9.72.199.46.176 03:57, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow! Your grammar is horrible. I mean that in the absolute nicest way possible, but I had to read and reread your post about five times to understand what you were trying to say. Please, the next time you write something, proofread it, for the sake of others.
 * Now, to answer your question: no one on Mortal Kombat Wiki knows Ed Boon. I cannot tell you whether he will "tell [you] to put on a [K]itana costume and make fun of [you]," or not. In his interviews, yes, he certainly seems like a very nice man (especially because he complimented that piece of shit, "Mortal Kombat: Rebirth"); however, I have no way of knowing how genuine that was, as I have never met the man. I'm sorry that's as helpful as I can be. 04:04, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

What is that
Do you know what are the things called. I'll tell you what i'm tailking about,do you know the things kitana has in the middle of her legs in mortal kombat 9 and jade in mortal kombat shaolin monks and deception and it looks like a rectangle,what is it and can you get tangled in it.72.199.46.176 00:26, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's called a loincloth. And, I don't know if you can get tangled in one, I've never worn one. 00:28, October 10, 2010 (UTC).
 * Do they get tangled in the game or is it just for the design..72.199.46.176 00:59, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, they don't get tangled in the game. They just wear them for stylistic purposes. 01:03, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * So are you saying it's just for the design and also it's not if you worn it before,it's to see the characters wear.And sorry about the section i didn't mean you get tangled in the loincloth
 * I mean that if you watch mortal kombat sholin monk jade vs kitana on youtube you can see that jade has a loincloth in the middle of her legs and when she does the 2 hit and 3 kick attack you can see her loincloth moving and the same in deception when you knock her down the sky temple the loincloth will gopast her body and head and since ed eboon said the characters from mortal kombat 1-3 will be in mortal kombat 9 does jade count.72.199.46.176 22:24, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't know yet whether or not Jade will be in the new Mortal Kombat game; but there is a good chance because Ed Boon did say that it would be a retelling of the first three Mortal Kombat games. As for whether or not her or Kitana's loincloth will move with or against their bodies' movements in the new game, I cannot say definitively yet, as I don't work for WB Games, and haven't played the new game yet…after all, it's not coming out until 2011. But, I'm sure we'll all find out soon! 22:54, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Grr.......did yu see the jade vs kitana on youtube shaolin monks and saw her hitting kitana with her 2 hit and 2kick trip move and saw her loincloth move many times now look it up and edit this again.72.199.46.176 01:02, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Jade's loincloth moves during her fight with Kitana in the video (which I'd seen before). What's your question? Why does it move? Because it looks more realistic that way than if it were perfectly still. Why doesn't it move like it should in real life? Because video game physics aren't perfect yet. Anything else?  01:09, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay here's how I put it, the character wears the loincloth but it can go through the character because it's a game right am I right.
 * Yes. Polygons and movements are not yet perfect in video games. So, as of right now, the loincloth just goes through Jade when she moves. That's partly why she can never get tangled in it. And, that's probably what will be the case with Kitana in the new Mortal Kombat video game. 02:46, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay I know you said you haven't worn a lincloth but by googling on the internet and jade vs kitana video can you step on or trip on a long loincloth by lookin and seeing on the internet and the video and also if you say no you can't we'll might be done with this but if you say yes i'll need more help and promise you'll won't lie and also on the jade vs kitana video, how does jade go through the loincloth when she does th two kicks in the air and trips kitana report back.72.199.46.176 04:47, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can trip on a long loincloth; that should go without saying. Yes, in real life, Jade's loincloth wouldn't go through her body. But Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks is a video game. Of course, in real life, Jade would have to be an extremely skilled martial artist to be able to pull off the attacks she performs against Kitana in the aforementioned video without tripping over her loincloth. And by no means, in real life, could a loincloth go travel through solid matter. She would likely trip in real life. Alas, though, we're not talking about real life, but rather a video game.
 * Also, when you respond back: please use punctuation. I find it very difficult to discern what you're trying to say when your posts are all joined together into one "sentence." (It would also be very helpful if you bothered to check your grammar.) I'm assuming that English is not your first language right now, and, if that's the case, a website like Google Translator should produce more coherent thoughts than your previous posts. 05:00, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay I get what your saying but something is distracting me.You can trip over a long loincloth in real life and I know it's just a videogame but here's the problem in my head,but why does it go through them. P.S rememer I told you about if ed boon's nice the reason why it's dropped is because that I thought in my head even if he does just say no.That's the explanation I need you to answer these questions,1 why does it go through them,2 need to think of a more reasonabale answer 3,It's just for the outfit.72.199.46.176 05:24, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can trip over a loincloth in real life. I understand that it can be distracting to watch something that clearly defies logic.  However, it is important to remember that video games are only an approximation of real life, and do not imitate it perfectly.  Again, I don't know whether or not Ed Boon is nice in real life, as I have never met him, and I probably never will.  And, even if you do meet him, and he is really mean, I still highly doubt he'll ever tell you to "put on a [K]itana costume and make fun of [you]."[1]
 * To answer your specific questions:
 * 1. Jade and Kitana's loincloths go through their body because it would take way too much programming to prevent their loincloths from defying the laws of physics.
 * 2. That is a reasonable answer. Their loincloths are not magic.  It's not the MK Team's intentions to make Jade's loincloth travel through her body, however it would take way too much programming to fix that issue.  And, quite frankly, very few people are likely to even notice the problem, and even fewer are likely to care.  So, instead of spending weeks and weeks of programming to make Jade's loincloth not travel through her body, they just make it respond to gravity.
 * 3. Yes, it's just for the outfit. In real life, I highly doubt any skilled martial artist would wear any of the clothes the female Mortal Kombat characters wear (except for a few); they're just not practical for fighting.  But, the MK Team doesn't really care whether or not Sindel can fight in heels, or whether it makes sense for Mileena to wear a thong with suspenders — they just want the outfits to look "sexy."  That's all.
 * I hope this answers your question.  05:48, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, this section's name sums up well its content: WHAT IS THIS DISCUSSION???--Kombatgod 06:46, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, Kombatgod. Agreed.  However, I feel it is my duty to answer any and all reasonable questions posed to me on Mortal Kombat Wiki.  Although, whether this question is reasonable is certainly debatable. Alas, 72.199.46.176 is being (mostly) polite, so I am answering his question — however inconsequential and trivial it may be.   06:53, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It has been confirmed that kitana loincloth in mortal kombat 9 cant go through her body because if you see the video kitana and kung lao vs scorpion vs cyrax you can see when scorpion does his hell fire on her you can see the the loincloth go around her leg and go back in the middle of her and also when kitana does the fan lift, fan throw, and square wave punch you can see the loincloth go in circles while kitana spins which means the loincloth can't go through her in the game ,what do you think.72.199.46.176 04:26, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, that means they've improved the physics and logic of the programming. I probably would've never noticed, though, had you not pointed it out.  Good catch!   04:28, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you see the video about kitana tag team and saw the loincloth go around her leg when scorpion did his hellfire attack on her and whenkitana did the fan lift fan through and square wave punch and saw while she did that flip during the fan throw you can see the loincloth go in cirles with kitana.72.199.46.176 02:43, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, they certainly improved the physics of the programming in this game. Good eye!  I wouldn't have noticed.  I'm glad that her loincloth now obeys logic.  Thanks for telling me.   02:53, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Cleaning Jarek's page..
Some user added some unimportant info on his page so I deleted it..(Hangingmanpeter0 06:43, October 12, 2010 (UTC))
 * Okay. Sounds good for now. If someone else adds the information you deleted back onto Jarek's page, then you may have to debate the individual who thinks it is important. However, if that never happens, it shouldn't be an issue. Thanks for telling me – but, for future reference, you don't need to inform me of every edit you make, unless you believe it'll be particularly controversial. Thanks, though! 06:48, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay,got ya (Hangingmanpeter0 23:57, October 13, 2010 (UTC))
 * Okay,got ya (Hangingmanpeter0 23:57, October 13, 2010 (UTC))

Why
Why did jade have steel fans in mk2 and not the bo.72.199.46.176 21:57, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * In Mortal Kombat II Jade was put into the game as a secret character near the end of production. At the time video games could only hold so much memory, and programming in new moves (which required the creation of new sprites), required the use of a lot more memory. So, to save memory, instead of making new sprites for characters in Mortal Kombat II the MK Team just created different color palettes to give to existing sprites (essentially changing their color). Hence, Jade was created as a green palette swap of Kitana. And, the reason they gave her steel fans instead of a bō was simply because it would've taken up too much programming. Not to mention, they sort of just threw her in as a character at the end of production, and didn't really think about the idea of giving her her own weapon until they decided to bring her back in Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. I hope that answers your question. 22:31, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * But it doesn't bring her character by just giving her steel fans and that's really not her weapon like in mk1 reptile was given the spear and ice ball from scorp and sub and also in a hack jade can use a fan swipe and kiss of death fatality and that's not hers it's kitana so make a reasonable answer like what is that.72.199.46.176 02:42, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please spellcheck and grammar-check your future posts; it's very hard to figure out what you're trying to say when you don't use punctuation. Now, to answer what I think was your question (however, I cannot be sure): yes, steel fans were never really Jade's weapon, they were just copied from Kitana. That was because the MK Team didn't even think about giving her her own weapon until Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. All they did was decide that they needed another secret character in Mortal Kombat II; so they turned Kitana green and renamed her.  04:41, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to fix my grammer to silver,tell me.So the mortal kombat 2 Jade is really Kitana and they just made her cloth green,dark skin and made her steel fans bronze for a second and that's Kitana.72.199.46.176 15:07, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah. That's pretty much it. 15:14, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Am I missing anything.72.199.46.176 17:12, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you're not missing anything. 21:50, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Which is it
I've been editing sindels ending and people are erasing it, saying her deception ending was real but it's impossible because kitana was freed by liu kang and ermac when her and the warriors were free from the spell of onaga ressurection, but it says kitana is freed when the dragon king was defeated,which is it,please tell me.72.199.46.176 06:01, October 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Although it can be somewhat ambiguous, the endings of Nightwolf, Shujinko, and Ermac are canon in Mortal Kombat: Deception. Sindel's ending could not have happened, as it would've contradicted Ermac's ending (especially, because if her killing of Onaga freed Kitana it would've also freed Johnny Cage, Sonya, Jax, and Kung Lao from his control). Furthermore, Onaga's Armageddon biography clearly states that he was trapped in the Netherrealm, which validates Nightwolf's ending (which, therefore would invalidate Sindel's). So, in short, Sindel's Deception ending is non-canonical. I hope that answers your question.
 * (By the way, your grammar has noticeably improved. Kudos!)
 * Incidentally, 72.199.46.176, might I suggest, since you're becoming such a frequent editor, that you get your own username. 06:31, October 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank You.72.199.46.176 06:39, October 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. 06:44, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Gallery
Cavalier tunes, the gallery that you changed which is the flipshow,I can't see it ,so can you change it back to the just the pictures in a straight line please.72.199.46.176 06:57, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't change any gallery. Maybe, though, if you told me which gallery you were speaking of, I could find out who changed it and changed it back for you. I'm sorry you can't see the gallery, but like I said, I didn't change any gallery, and I don't even know which gallery you're speaking of. 07:00, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mortal kombat 2011 one it's a flipchart and I can't see it so even if you didn't do it please fix it.72.199.46.176 07:08, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've looked at the Mortal Kombat (2011) gallery, and I don't see anything wrong with it. I've looked at the coding, and nothing is wrong with the coding. And there haven't been any edits to the gallery in four days. I would guess that there might be something wrong with your internet connection, your internet preferences, or something else with your computer. I'd suggest just restarting, but, unless I was looking at your computer in person, I probably wouldn't be able to figure out exactly what's wrong. Until then, here's a list of all the images in the gallery.
 * I'll post any new images that are added to the gallery to the list for you. But, I'd advise you figure out why you can't see the gallery. As far as I can tell, there's nothing wrong on this end. 07:43, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this but I think you made a made a mistake on the loincloth thing when you saud the movie and shaolin monk wre different universe but shaolin monk is just to put in an adventure game for people and annihlation and the first movie are just movies and none of the characters in movie and the game are fake and i'm talking about the charcters like in games not the acters.72.199.46.176 16:54, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all, I'm getting really tired of you not using punctuation! Seriously, throw in a comma every once in a while, or, for Heaven's sake, a period! You may understand what you're writing because you know what you're intending to write, but, for the rest of us, it's very difficult to discern what you're trying to say when all of your thoughts are jumbled into one "sentence." So please, for the sake of logic, just grammar-check what you're trying to say.
 * Now to answer what I think is your question. No, I made no mistake on the the "loincloth thing" nor did I make any mistake on whether the Mortal Kombat movie, Annihilation, and Shaolin Monks were canonical or not. To summarize my previous points:
 * The reason that Jade's loincloth goes through her body when she performs certain moves in Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks is because of a programming oversight. That's it. There's no magic loincloth. It's not supposed to go through her, it just does because the MK Team didn't feel like going through the trouble of programming it so it didn't.
 * The first Mortal Kombat movie and Mortal Kombat Annihilation were non-canonical. When Jade died in that movie it had nothing to do with her character in the games. The fact that Jade died in Annihilation and Shaolin Monks is pure coincidence; because the two are in completely separate universes. This has nothing to do with the actors who play the characters. This just has to do with canon. The MK Team just wanted to make a good video game in Shaolin Monks, and didn't really care if it made sense within the current MK universe. And the people who wrote Annihilation just tried to make a good movie (and failed) they didn't think about whether or not Jade actually dies in the video game (she doesn't). This isn't a hard concept. Just think of Mortal Kombat Annihilation and Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks as having nothing to do with the rest of the video games, except that their characters have the same names.
 * Honestly, neither of these are hard concepts to understand. So, in conjunction with the fact that your grammar is so bad, and with the fact that you're not understanding the simple answers I am providing, I am forced to assume that English is not your first language. So, please, tell me what your first language is, and I can maybe translate my answers for you before I post them (my German is mediocre, and I have friends that speak most major world languages). Or at the very least, one of us could use Google Translator. I hope that answers your question. 20:07, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Kitana, Motaro, and Reiko
Kitana and Motaru never interacted so stop puting them on enemy like reiko to they never interacted.166.205.141.249 04:29, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 and Mortal Kombat Gold? Motaro is Shao Kahn's primary enforcer in Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3, and he also was dead set upon capturing Kitana – I'd say that gives Motaro pretty good reason for being enemies with Kitana (as well as all the other character's you removed from Motaro's enemies list).  And both Reiko and Kitana were in Mortal Kombat Gold – if Liu Kang is Reiko's enemy in those games, than certainly Kitana should be as well.   12:38, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whaat?Kitana was in jail for killing Mileena and she broke out,so Shao Kahn set Jade and Reptile to bring back Kitana but he only told reptile to bring her back even by killing her but Jade helped Kitana and they both fought Sheeva and escaped the killing of Reptile and Kitana and Jade join the earth wariors in defeating Shao Kahn and Reiko's doesn't make any sense if liu kang is enemies with reiko that doesn't mean he's enemies with kitana they never encounter so I'm gonna do it again so they are not enemies with her.166.205.141.249 14:10, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, it's rather childish to say "You have said it isn't, I say it is, so I'm going to change it back regardless of what anyone says." Secondly, if Motaro was specifically helping Shao Kahn with his goals in Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3, as CavalierTunes stated, then it almost assured that they will have met and come to blows at some point. And Thirdly, please have some consideration for others in any post you make, tagging it on the end of someone else's post (as in not starting a new line and indenting) and adding punctuation to your post (e.g. using a comma instead of numerous "and"s. Apologies for hijacking your talk page CavalierTunes. Brotherhood619 18:47, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Characters in ports
Hey, I wanted to tell you that the images you placed in the tables are very nice! Ok, it's a pointless message, but I just wanted to tell you because when I created those tables I had in mind something just like that, but couldn't find the right images. Awesome work!--Kombatgod 22:53, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Actually, it was your initially inserting of S.JPG and S2.JPG that inspired me.  When I saw those, I decided I would add images for "cameo" (C.png) and "Selectable using a game-altering device" (D.png), and then I just decided to just redo all the images so that they looked like they were cut from the same cloth, so-to-speak.  So, if anything, the thanks goes to you!  Great job, as always Kombatgod!   23:40, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Your toughts for Mortal Kombat 2011
Good evening Cavalier, I was thinking in ask you this: witch character do you expect to see in the upcoming game, and who is your favorite one? Tesshu When The Law Fails to Serve Justice one can buy Justice. 02:24, October 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * And good evening to you as well, Tesshu. Which characters to I expect to see in the upcoming game? As playable, I expect the already confirmed charcters: Scorpion, the original Sub-Zero, Kung Lao, Mileena, Nightwolf, Sektor, Reptile, Johnny Cage, Cyrax, Kitana, Raiden, Shang Tsung, and Kano, obviously. In addition, I expect: Sonya, Smoke ( in human form ), Jax, Jade, Liu Kang, Sindel, Ermac, Kabal, Quan Chi, Baraka, Sheeva, and two new characters. I also expect the boss to be Shao Kahn, and the sub-boss to be Goro. But we will see, now won't we. Now, my favorite characters…hmmm, that's tough. I'd have to say: Cyrax, Ermac, Jade, Kung Lao, Tanya, and Sheeva. But, that's just me. What about you? Who do you think will be in the new Mortal Kombat? Who is your favorite character? 02:45, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about this: what characters from 3D MKs do you think (or hope) could be in The new MK, if there will be any? Boon hinted at it some times, but since they have lots of chars from the 2D games to choose from, It seems unlikely there will be any from the 3D ones. Anyway I have three characters in mind: Quan Chi, Bo' Rai Cho and Kenshi.--Kombatgod 11:10, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since the game is primarily going to be a retelling of the first three Mortal Kombat games, I'm guessing we're not going to be seeing too many characters introduced in a 3D game. I think we might see Quan Chi, solely because of his importance to the series (seriously, he was more important to the storyline in Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe then some of the playable characters). Although, like you said, I'm hoping for some other characters as well (Bo' Rai Cho and Tanya). Quite frankly, I think Quan Chi is the only post-MK3 character we'll be seeing…but, I hope I'm wrong! 12:37, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * My favorites are: Liu Kang,the original Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Johnny Cage, Jax, Kung lao, Goro and the females Kitana, Sonya, Jade, Sindel, Mileena and Sheeva, and I really think they will be in the upcoming game because they are the most famous and iconic Fighters from the classic games. I expecting to see all of my favorites ,including other legendary mk fighters! and they are: Kabal, Baraka, Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn, Raiden, Kano, Ermac, Smoke(In the robot or human form), Kurtis Striker and Rain will not be in the game because he is not so famous and unique like Ermac and Smoke! We allready have an proof that he will not be in the game His cameo! Tesshu When The Law Fails to Serve Justice one can buy Justice. 16:27, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think we'll see Rain or Kurtis Stryker either. Neither of them are very well-liked characters, nor do they invoke the spirit of Mortal Kombat. That being said — I don't think we can count the cameo as proof of anything; they were primarily placeholders for the time being. However, I still don't think we'll be seeing Rain in the new game. 16:39, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Acording to my knowledge in the chating of the site, youre a Girl aren't you? I want give you a advice, dont push yourself too hard in helping these kinds of people wo make vandalisms or are trying to add false things in the site, enjoy the max you can in talking with your friends like we are doing now, dont you agree with me? Tesshu When The Law Fails to Serve Justice one can buy Justice. 16:59, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not a girl. I'm a guy. I'm 22. I'm about to graduate (from a very highly ranked) college. I've been playing Mortal Kombat since I was 9. And I take the vandals on this site very seriously. I take my position on this site very seriously, and I don't intend on wasting it away on chatting and nothing else. Talking and theorizing about the future game is fun, and I certainly enjoy it, and I will continue chatting with you and others like you, however, the edits users make on this site are not superficial, and I will continue to undo and revert the mistakes of vandals! 17:13, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah for sure man! I'm a guy too. I'm 18, I play Mortal Kombat Since I was 6 believe it? Its a great Fighing series of games dont you think! I wish that was more gory fighting games for the Playstation 3 or Xbox 360 dont you agree with me? Another gory fighting game that is great in Mace: The Dark Age a fighting game from Midway that game is a classic! Tesshu When The Law Fails to Serve Justice one can buy Justice. 17:33, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't know I haven't played Mace: The Dark Age. To be quite honest, I don't play all that many video games. I play the Mortal Kombat series, and a few others (namely The Sims series)…but that aside, I spend most of my free time writing, drawing, watching TV shows (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, True Blood, and Kings among others are my favorite), doing homework (my major is Political Science, and my minor is Religion), and studying apocryphal religious lore and other legends in general. You? 17:49, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Back to normal
How do you get the old wiki back to mortal kombat, I don't like this one.72.199.46.176 00:34, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, this is the new Wikia default (Wikia is the website that makes this, and all other Wikis possible). However, if you sign up for Mortal Kombat Wiki, go to your Preferences panel, and click "Skin", and from there choose "Monaco" and save Mortal Kombat Wiki will return to looking like normal, as long as you're logged in.  However, as long as you're not logged in, this is how all Wikias will look to you.  (Incidentally, for you clicking convenience, the links to "sign up" and "preferences" work, so you can easily sign up and find your preferences panel.)   00:56, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Good Neutral or Evil
I keep changing Nitara back to good because it says by the creators in her bio kard states she is good she,only joined the forces of darkness to defeat Ashrah and her weapon for killing her people.What do you think72.199.46.176 23:59, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Although I agree that she's more good than evil, and that she probably only joined the Forces of Darkness to defeat Ashrah, I have to side with classifying her as neutral. As it has been discussed numerous times on numerous talk pages, the bio kards of the characters are only so accurate. And, since she has no real goals save for the liberation of her Væternus, I wouldn't, per se, call her a die-hard good guy or bad guy. However, if you're very adamant about her alignment, start a discussion on her talk page. 00:14, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Heading 2
Ok look,we know that sareena is neither good or evil so it says in another wiki it says neutral mortal kombat tournament addition neutral fans neutral so just accepts she's neutral please please please please please please please please please and your the one who says unknown so pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease accept she's neutral please.166.205.139.78 03:37, October 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Because she's not neutral! A neutral character (like Scorpion, for instance) doesn't care which side wins.  Sareena, however, likely does have a side.  We just don't know which one.  And, for the record, I'm not the only one who says she's unknown.  Read this discussion, the consensus was to refer to Sareena's alignment as "Unknown."  If you want to debate the issue, bring it up on Sareena's talk page.  I respect the fact that you disagree with me.  It makes no difference what another wiki says, at all: we are the Mortal Kombat Wiki!  If her alignment is listed as "Neutral" in Mortal Kombat: Tournament Edition it wouldn't really matter, because events occurred since that time.  Disagree with me all you want, however, this issue has reached a consensus ("Unknown"), and, a debate is still ongoing.  Even if I'm wrong, it is improper wiki protocol to edit a page with a controversial statement while that statement is under debate.  Again, if you disagree with the referring to Sareena as "Unknown", then debate about it on her talk page, just editing her article is bad wiki-manners.   04:12, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Fiery blow kiss
Is it ok if I say fiery blow kiss for Sonya fatality because she doesn't kiss the peson she blow a kiss to them so is it ok.166.205.139.78 04:27, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think that the continuous changing of the names of all the characters' moves and fatalities is becoming somewhat excessive. However, if you don't make changes all the time, I don't see the problem with changing the name of Sonya's fatality.   04:35, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Wikia Format
Since you most likely will not get a timely response out of Cometstyles, I can tell you that Wikia completely removed Monaco. There's no way we can bring it back.  Smoke Sound off! 04:17, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate that, Smoke.; I just wish we could bring it back. Oh well!  04:23, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

RE: 62.60.102.229
This guy is a repeat offender, I know I've banned several addresses from him. If you see ANY edits resembling what you reverted from this guy, inform me immediately. Thanks.  Smoke Sound off! 04:26, November 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. 04:32, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sareena is good not Unknown
Cavalier tunes look on sareena talk page and go to the bottom and I have an important message and you have to understand she is not unknown it says in EVERY SINGLE WIKI but this one she is good AND SHE WAS FREED FROM THE SPELL SENT BY QUAN CHI AS IN HER ENDING SHE HELPED SUB ZERO to FREEZE QUAN CHI THATS WHY THE CREATORS MADE HER A GOOD ENDING SO THAT MEANS SHE JOINED THE FORCES OF LIGHT THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE OR ILL HAVE TO TELL SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT THE FALSE EDITS LOOK IN HER TAlK PAGE FIRST.72.199.44.212 15:33, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, so you actually believe CavalierTunes will listen to you if you scream your lungs out? Err, I have news for you, he won't. We've already discussed this, and specifically the point you made, so you need to come up with a better argument. And stop shouting for that matter. CrashBash 20:45, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

This isn't about you it's about cavalier tunes so state your business.166.205.136.196 20:55, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * And who are you? CrashBash 20:59, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, CrashBash. Look, 72.199.44.212, I'm really tired of having this debate. If you have a problem with calling Sareena "Unknown" then debate about it on her talk page. My edit are not false; they are a compromise. There are many people who site evidence that she is good, and many others who site evidence that she is evil. She is obviously not neutral, that much we can agree on. Personally, I'm of the inclination that she's "good", however the evidence is strong both ways. And, i'll say this as clearly as possible: it does not matter what the other wikis say! Give evidence in the debate, and wait for a consensus to be reached. As of right now calling her "Unknown" is a good compromise; and, until we can come to a better agreement, that's how she will be listed. You can go report what you call "false edits" how ever often you want, however, the ones who are violating protocol are those editing Sareena's page with information that is otherwise under debate, like 166.205.136.196. And, if they make any more edits to her page before a consensus is reached, then I will be reporting them to a moderator. Remember, it's not me you have to convince of whether or not Sareena is good; instead you have to disprove everyone else's evidence that she's not good. Understand? Just because you say she's "good" doesn't make her good. Just because someone says she's "evil" doesn't make her evil. Evidence has to be given. Right now there's evidence for BOTH SIDES. If you want her to be called "good" you must DISPROVE the evidence for her being called "evil". Until then, since both sides have VALID ARGUMENTS, she will be listed as "Unknown", because, no consensus can be reached. Understood? 21:11, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I also found a flaw in his logic. He states that Sareena must have been in the Forces of Light because she had a "good" ending. Yeah, that makes perfect sense...what about Raiden? We clearly see him in the Forces of Light, yet he has a "bad" ending, because he destroys all the other realms. I'm sure there are other examples, but that is the most obvious flaw in his logic. CrashBash 12:00, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Look on her talk page now.72.199.44.212 05:54, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * It has stated that sareena is neutral in mortal kombat tournament addition on the character select screen,which means that sareena had some part of being neutral,even when you said she is not neutral.In mortal kombat armageddon, sareena is part evil,part good.So if she is both,she is possibly neutral or she is on neither side.Now,we have to figure out which side did she joined in the battle of armageddon.She could've joined the forces of light because there are to many forces of darkness.72.199.44.212 20:05, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to jump in here again. Sareena is listed as Neutral in Tournament Edition, but that doesn't mean anything. That was many games ago. I mean, look at Kabal and Sindel, who were "good" and "evil" respectively in Mortal Kombat 3. But they're certainly not now. If anything, it's the other way around. It doesn't matter what a character was then, we need to know what they are now. And saying "Could've" is not very convincing.
 * I would also like to ask that you use the space bar more often. You should use the space bar every time you finish a sentence. It makes for better grammar. CrashBash 22:26, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to jump in here again. Sareena is listed as Neutral in Tournament Edition, but that doesn't mean anything. That was many games ago. I mean, look at Kabal and Sindel, who were "good" and "evil" respectively in Mortal Kombat 3. But they're certainly not now. If anything, it's the other way around. It doesn't matter what a character was then, we need to know what they are now. And saying "Could've" is not very convincing.
 * I would also like to ask that you use the space bar more often. You should use the space bar every time you finish a sentence. It makes for better grammar. CrashBash 22:26, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

My Apologies
I'm sorry about the whole Sub-Zero thing. It's just I've not really been on the Wikia much since the format change, because I don't particularly like it too much. CrashBash 20:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * No need to apologize. The real names of Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot were released only hours prior to the edits, so I had simply assumed you hadn't heard the new information yet, and were correcting what you assumed to be vandalism.  You didn't do anything wrong, you made a logical assumption.  Sure, your assumption happened to be false, but, hell, I've corrected a few edits on this site before that I assumed were vandalism that turned out to be accurate.  Mistakes happen.  No harm done.   21:13, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Kitana's steel fans
Cavalier tunes,I wanna know if Kitana's fans can bend mire than just half way but I'm not arguing about that I just want to know.I have a regular fan and it bends and it looks like a circle and I wave it but can kitana fans do that or that's how far the fans go about have way or less and also can Kitana's break like if Mileena drives her sais to kitana's face and kitana blocks it with a fan,does it make a whole in her fans or the fans block it and it cannot break and that's why it's called steel fans.166.205.137.58 16:55, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kitana's fans have not been shown to open to more than a half-circle in the games so far. It is possible that they can open to a full circle, but, as stated, that has not been shown. If we take game mechanics into consideration, then Mileena's sais wouldn't break Kitana's fans, after all, they don't tear when blocked with. In real life, however, it would depend on the material that the fans are made out of (assuming that only the spokes are steel). In short, the answer to your first question is open to your imagination: Kitana's fans can open however much you want them to. And the answer to your second question is, "no," a hole will never be made in Kitana's fans. I hope that helps. 20:35, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * What kind of fan kitana has because their two types of fans folding fans or flat fans and Check in the games see if her fans can turn into a full circle.166.205.137.49 18:19, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Her fans are folding fans. And, I've already answered your question: no they don't open to a full circle in the games, as far as I recall, but for all wee know maybe they do, and she just doesn't open them all the way. And, I beg of you: use proper punctuation! If you ask me another question that takes me more than five minutes to decipher the meaning of, I will not respond. 20:38, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can a folding fan bend more than just half-circle and if it can't,this situation is done. 166.205.137.49 00:47, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are some fans that can open more than just a half-circle. Whether of not Kitana's fans can, I don't know. They've never been shown to open more more than a half-circle; however, Kitana might just not be opening them all the way. 01:01, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if it does go more than half-circle,it does not matter because Kitana can still attack the opponent even if more than half-circle.Right.166.205.137.49 02:30, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. 02:33, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a good chance that her fans can not open into a full circle, because the fans kitana have don't always go full circle.166.205.138.254 16:03, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's true. However, I can not say for certain. 23:22, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got it.The fan I had was a cockade fan which is a fan to open full circle.Kitana's fans are not cockade but a folding fans.I have a folding fan and it can go up to half cirle or less.The problem is that can folding fans go more than half circle unless your talking about cockade fans.If not,Kitana's fans can't go full circle or any hand fans exept cockade ones.72.199.44.212 20:48, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Helloooo.72.199.44.212 04:25, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * No offence, but I find it remarkable you can be so "logical" about these things, yet don't know that after every full stop comes a space. Or that people do need sleep. I have already asked you before to use spaces properly. Please. CrashBash 18:07, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sombody just answer my question. It's three comments away.72.199.44.212 15:49, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * You didn't ask a question. You answered your own question.  Kitana's fans cannot open more than a half-circle because they are not cockade fans.  I am not an expert on fans, so I'll take you at your word for that.  I'm sorry I didn't respond promptly; I've been sick, and in the United States it was Thanksgiving this past week, meaning I was much busier than usual.   16:20, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sombody just answer my question. It's three comments away.72.199.44.212 15:49, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * You didn't ask a question. You answered your own question.  Kitana's fans cannot open more than a half-circle because they are not cockade fans.  I am not an expert on fans, so I'll take you at your word for that.  I'm sorry I didn't respond promptly; I've been sick, and in the United States it was Thanksgiving this past week, meaning I was much busier than usual.   16:20, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * You didn't ask a question. You answered your own question.  Kitana's fans cannot open more than a half-circle because they are not cockade fans.  I am not an expert on fans, so I'll take you at your word for that.  I'm sorry I didn't respond promptly; I've been sick, and in the United States it was Thanksgiving this past week, meaning I was much busier than usual.   16:20, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sub Zero's names
Hi there Cavalier! I wanna ask you this: how did you known that the names of the younger Sub-Zero is "Kuai-Liang" and the other "Bi-Hang"? (I known that the names are official but I want known if that is their correct name places it might be worng!) Tesshu When The Law Fails to Serve Justice one can buy Justice. 22:13, November 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Netherrealm Studios released the official Sub-Zero vignette a few days ago. Within it is the names of both Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot.  Enjoy!   00:41, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sonya
Do me a favor and watch over her page,there has been unneeded edits taking place.(Hangingmanpeter0 06:19, November 17, 2010 (UTC))


 * Will Do! 16:38, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sindel
You are correct that I do not like Sindel however whether I like a character or not has nothing to do with whether they are a filler character or not. For example Nightwolf is an okay character but he is still just a filler. A filler character is one that is just put in to make up numbers, they have all the characters required for the game so they put in some random characters that are insignificant to the story just to make up numbers. It has noithing to do with whether you like the character or not. Captain Muguruma 12:21. November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all, remember to sign your name (I did it for you, this time). Second of all, by your definition, I would hardly call Sindel a "filler" character. She is, without a doubt, one of the most important characters, storyline-wise, in the Mortal Kombat 3-series. Furthermore, as is the rule with Mortal Kombat Wiki we cannot post anything without verification; so tell me, where is your proof that Sindel was just put into the game to "make up numbers"? 12:37, November 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * You have no proof of that, Muguruma. Furthermore, you vandalized the page in the past. Check my talk page for the instances I laid out for you. Don't play innocent. No one here is stupid.  Smoke Sound off! 00:49, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Image of Kitana
what was wrong with the picture i mad eon kitana im new to these things? Falaranah 13:54, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's quite alright, it's an easy mistake to make. The image of Kitana you uploaded was initially in black-and-white and colored by an unofficial artist. Because of that we cannot have it on an encyclopedic article here at Mortal Kombat Wiki. We could, however, place the original black-and-white image on Kitana's page (or any other official render). However, if the image has been altered by an unofficial source we cannot have it on Kitana's page. Many other people have been making that same mistake regarding that same image, so you're not alone. Just so you know for future reference. Also, if you leave any messages on someone's talk page it's customary to start a new topic, and it's imperative to sign your name (I've signed for you this time; just write "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;"). Thank you for asking what was wrong, though (most people would simply ignore what I said and undone my edit – so good job!). 13:59, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * ty didnt sorry i added it againwont happen again :D Falaranah 14:00, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * can u change it back plz :D Falaranah 14:01, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll change it back right now. It's no problem, actually. Thank you, though, for being so understanding about this issue. Many people have been ignoring warnings about that same image, and the fact that you're listening and complying with the rules of Mortal Kombat Wiki when informed is refreshing. Keep that up! And, by all means, if you find an official image of Kitana feel free to place it on her page! (We sure could use an officially-colored image of Kitana as she appears in the new game; although I don't think one has been released yet.) 14:06, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * ty man Falaranah 14:11, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem, just remember to sign your name (write "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" at the end of your posts on talk pages). 14:12, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

yo its falaranah how it this picture
Falaranah 14:15, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it's a beautiful picture, without a doubt. However, it's, again, unofficial.  Any images on character pages must be released officially by the MK Team.  If you look at all the other character's pages, their images are made by Mortal Kombat Team and are pictures of them as they appeared in the last game they were in.  Thank you though.   14:20, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

its falaranah ty and its good to find a
art lover like myself. a question how is it like being and admin to a wiki page are people rude. because you said you find my understanding of the issue refreshing and good Falaranah 14:28, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. And I am an art lover. I was only recently promoted to moderator, actually. However, I've been doing my best to enforce the rules here at Mortal Kombat Wiki for a while now. And, yes, many people would argue with my judgements (I hope, now that I'm an Administrator, that that will change). However, the other moderator here tended to back up my judgements, so it wasn't a huge issue. But, like I said, it is very nice when someone (like yourself) listens and doesn't disregard what I've said. Let me be clear here: I completely respect people who debate with me regarding my judgements; I am often wrong, and I encourage users to respectfully discuss disagreements with me if that's the case. But, often, people just ignore what I've said and do what they want, instead of either listening or respectfully debating. So, again, thank you, for listening! I do really appreciate it.
 * Also, again, please, after anything your write on a talk page please write "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" (it signs your name, and timestamps what your wrote).
 * And, you don't need to create a new section every time you post on a talk page; only if you're starting a new discussion. But, you'll get used to those things the more you use the wiki. 14:40, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

User:Ddill
This guy simply won't listen to me. He is clearly obsessed with editing Sareena's page before reaching the concensus. I have warned him several times and he won't listen. Maybe he'll listen to a moderator better.

http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ddill

Thank you. CrashBash 02:12, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Smoke Side Story Game
Hi. I created a blog about smoke. What do you think if MK created a game about smokes back ground. I mean a full game like Sub-Zero Mytholigies. Could you please give me your opinun. Thank you. CLASSIC SMOKE 03:20, November 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I know you're new, but the big box at the top of the page does ask you to sign your name, so I must ask that you try and do so. Thank you. I should also stress that, really, a users talk page is to be used to discuss important issues to the wikia, not gossip. You'll learn, so don't worry. CrashBash 08:15, November 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Smoke is a very popular character, in both his cyborg and human incarnations. I read your blog; and, yeah, I think it's a good idea.  The only flaw is that Smoke doesn't have a vendetta against Sub-Zero; they were allies.  Smoke only opposes Sub-Zero now because he's been under the control of Sub-Zero's enemies (either Noob Saibot or the old Lin Kuei).  Before he was automated he was Sub-Zero's strongest ally.  I think that a Smoke side-game similar to Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero or Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks would be a great game.  Here's hoping the MK-team does something like that in the future!
 * (I'll post this as a response to your blog too.)  09:17, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Mortal Kombat Arcade HD?
Is it coming out by any chance? I think it's fake and is fan artwork.(Hangingmanpeter0 20:49, November 25, 2010 (UTC))


 * Although it's been confirmed by a few game- and Mortal Kombat-related websites; NetherRealm Studios, and the MK-team have yet to confirm it officially. As of right now it's still a rumor. The rumored release date was earlier this month (November 16, 2010); so obviously it didn't come out then. As of right now, there hasn't been any real updates on it's development for a while. But, if I do hear anything, I'll be sure to post you a note on your talk page. 21:07, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks bro,by the way Happy Thanksgiving,enjoy yourself to loads of turkey(Hangingmanpeter0 21:37, November 25, 2010 (UTC))


 * You're welcome. And thank you. And have a Happy Thanksgiving yourself. I hope you have a lot of turkey, see a lot of family, and don't get loaded up on too much tryptophan (the amino acid in turkey that supposedly makes people sleepy). 21:43, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * No wonder I feel sleepy by eating that stuff. Better watch out yourself for it as well my friend(Hangingmanpeter0 21:58, November 25, 2010 (UTC))
 * No wonder I feel sleepy by eating that stuff. Better watch out yourself for it as well my friend(Hangingmanpeter0 21:58, November 25, 2010 (UTC))

Fans
Look on Kitana's steel fans and reply please.72.199.44.212 04:24, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sareena and Neutral
Sareena is possibly Good or Neutral.You need to understand what Neutral means.Neutral means your on the good and evil side.Sareena's Mortal Kombat Tournament Addition Ending is true but when it said befriending somebody from the Netherealm is a bad idea is false because sareena was good when she was helping Sub-Zero to defeat Noob-Smoke.All bio kards are real because the creators are the ones who said their alignments.Also the creators no everything (Especially Ed Boon who said most of the bio Kards).It would make sense if Sareena was freed after the battle with Taven, like when Kitana was freed from the spell after she was defeated in Shaolin Monks.Sareena should be allies with Taven if she was freed by him and should be allies with Sub-Zero.She has good allies, all good characters have good allies unless a good character like Khameleon Has an evil one but she's still good.She also has Evil allies, which means that she is good.Note:Smoke is evil in Deception and Armageddon.Sareena could've been freed off-screen after she dissapeared and Kia and Jataaka were killed (As states in their wiki).She would've also returned to Sub-Zero after she was freed.She could've join the Forces of Light because there are to much Forces of Darkness in the Armageddon Intro.Sareena's Armageddon ending shows good in her.Check on Sareena's other wikis and it tells you that she's either Good or Neutral.Note:there are more than 1 Sareena wiki.Ddill 04:42, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't mean,your on the good and evil side,it means neither side you're not good or evil..(Hangingmanpeter0 08:54, December 3, 2010 (UTC))

You need to understand how to use the space bar, Ddill. ALWAYS put a space after a full stop. Secondly, all you're doing is covering things that have already been rejected....


 * As Hangingmanpeter0 said, Neutral is not good or evil. It means you're on your own side. Scorpion is neutral because he frankly doesn't CARE which side wins.

OK, seriously, Ddill. Your claims are wrong. You want to know if Sareena is good, evil, your neutral or the real neutral? Go and ask Ed Boon. Go on, write to him and ask him, tell us, and then we can make it official. But until then, we'll just keep combating your rubbish claims. Just as well you can't edit Sareena's page at the moment. CrashBash 10:38, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no such game as "Tournament Addition". It'd be confused with the real game "Tournament Edition" for one thing.
 * Why are you so insistant on insisting the endings make everything right? In her Deception Ending, Li Mei turns against everyone and becomes Onaga's queen. Does that mean we need to label her as evil? By your logic (or lack of) obviously we do. And the same with Raiden...in two endings (the original MK, and Armageddon), he destroys Earth/all other realms, so we clearly need to label him as evil. Yes, I am being sarcastic, but obviously I NEED to to get this through to Ddill.
 * Oh, and when did Shaolin Monks become canonial? Kitana was never under a spell. She realised not long before MK2 that Shao Kahn had lied about her past, and whilst she went along with his plan, secretly helped the Earthrealm heroes. THAT'S the TRUE story.
 * It's "know", not no.
 * If they know everything, then do us a favour....why don't you write to them and ASK what Sareena's OFFICIAL allignment is? Because that's the only way we're going to get anything sorted.
 * When did Khameleon have an ally?
 * You say Smoke is evil in Deception and Armageddon...so? Ermac was evil in UMK3. That doesn't make him evil forever. Furthermore, you clearly see Smoke fighting Nitara in the intro movie of Armageddon, alongside the Forces of Light. That makes him "good" in Armageddon.
 * Even if Sareena was on the FoL, the FoD outnumber them significantly.
 * If you bring up the "Other Wikis" one more time, I will insist you are banned. How many times do we have to tell you....STOP.....USING.....the other wikis. They don't count.


 * Ddill: Seriously, use the friggin' space bar. It won't hurt you. It's not like the damned thing is going to bite your finger off. Also, you might want to recheck your dictionary. Being that "good" and "evil" are diametric opposites, neutral cannot mean good AND evil. Refer to the other explanations for clarification. This discussion is over, and do not change Sareena's page again to reflect your flawed assertions.  Smoke Sound off! 13:48, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Why can't it count for Sareena's different wiki's.They do count.Here's my report.5 wiki's say she's good during Armageddon.3 wiki's say she's neutral during Armageddon.So we have to say she's good because there are more wiki's that say she's good.Sareena should be still good because she's allies with Taven, which means that she was freed from Quan Chi's cluches.Sareena has good allies and mostly evil enemies which means she's good.Sareena should be good after all the good deeds she's done.Help Elder Sub-Zero defeat Quan Chi, Sparred Sub-Zero's life in Mythologies,and help the young Sub-Zero defeat Noob-Smoke.The creators wouldn't make all of that go to waste.Sareena had a friendship with the young Sub-Zero.But in Armageddon, she's still allies with him, which means she was freed from Quan Chi.If you agree with this,Sareena would've joined the Forces of Light because there aren't alot of them than Forces of Darkness.I feel in my heart that she is good,so please understand.Ddill 06:19, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK then, I'm going to go find all those wikis, and write "Quan Chi is gay". Then I'm going to come back here and say "Oh, we need to list that Quan Chi is a homosexual because all the other wikis say he is."


 * You automatically see the problem? ANYONE can edit the other wikias. And we're not concerned about those wikias. We're concerned about THIS wikia. We keep telling you and your cronies - ignore what the other wikias say. Why is that so difficult for you to do? We've already explained, there's no proof that Sareena broke free from her spell, and there's no proof as to what side she's on....your explanation doesn't work because, even if she was, the Forces of Darkness STILL outnumber them. Look, I think she's good too, but I don't use the same excuse you use (which is, essentially, "BECAUSE I SAY SO!!"), so at the moment, I can't use it to counteract the current argument. Say all you want....you're NOT the majority, and you're certainly NOT the ruler of the world. CrashBash 08:13, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Would you give it a rest already,Smoke said this discussion is over,done with stop wasting our time and leave it at that...(Hangingmanpeter0 07:01, December 5, 2010 (UTC)0

You think i'm blind or something. Just mind your own bussiness and don't encourage anybody. I can see somewhere that Sareena is good and I will not rest until I prove it.Ddill 07:33, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * In that case, you're frankly on the wikia for the wrong reason and need to be banned perminantly. If I was in charge (which I'm not), you'd have been banned ages ago (although my patience isn't as good as the real moderators). CrashBash 08:15, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just think,maybe in the new MK,we're find out if she's good or not..(Hangingmanpeter0 16:42, December 5, 2010 (UTC))
 * Just think,maybe in the new MK,we're find out if she's good or not..(Hangingmanpeter0 16:42, December 5, 2010 (UTC))


 * Ddill, I don't care what you feel in your heart. You're wrong. Stop it. You're done. Understand? No more explanations.  Smoke Sound off! 16:49, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, thank you Smoke., CrashBash, and Hangingmanpeter0, for handling this discussion! I've been extremely busy this past week (it's my final semester at college, and I have a ton of final papers).
 * Ddill, not to echo what everyone else has said, but here we go:
 * First of all, it doesn't matter what all those other wikis say. Many of them are made by singular fans. Many people who make them aren't experts. Many of them have different standards for accuracy than we, here at Mortal Kombat Wiki do. Furthermore, no wiki (not even ours) is a primary source, and we should avoid citing secondary sources whenever possible.
 * Second of all, it doesn't matter what you feel in your heart if you cannot prove it. Guess what, I believe that Sareena is good too! Unfortunately, the evidence that she may be evil is just as strong. You have to think like a lawyer: it doesn't matter what you think it matters what you can prove. (Also, on a side note: no speculation.)
 * It does not matter how many people are in the Forces of Light or in the Forces of Darkness. I doubt the MK-team took any of that into consideration when deciding which side any character would be one.
 * I hope that's all clear. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask, and if you do ever come up with some proof as to Sareena's alignment please inform us on her talk page. However, please do not try to rehash the same "evidence" you've used before: if we don't consider it proof now, we won't consider it proof in the future. 23:21, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * On behalf of everybody else,sorry for doing this on your page.(Hangingmanpeter0 04:04, December 6, 2010 (UTC))
 * Don't apologize. My "thank you" was sincere.  I really do appreciate it.  (I'm rarely sarcastic online.)   04:08, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't apologize. My "thank you" was sincere.  I really do appreciate it.  (I'm rarely sarcastic online.)   04:08, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

I was trying to add a video to my profile but now it made a page.. somehow..
Please delete it,thanks.(Hangingmanpeter0 03:33, December 6, 2010 (UTC))


 * No problem. It's deleted. 23:06, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about editing Sareena for all this time.I just wanted to know if we'll keep her as Unknown FOREVER.Thank You for answering my question for all this time.Sareena's alignment could change if she appears in MK 2011.Thank you and sorry for everything.Ddill 17:23, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, OK, that's good, but can you please use the space bar after EVERY full stop. CrashBash 17:59, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure.Ddill 18:14, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * As soon as either A) a consensus is reached or B) the MK-team tells us definitively we'll update Sareena's alignment. 23:08, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. I only have 1 comment. Aren't the bio kards real because the creators know everything.Ddill 05:34, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no need to post the same comment twice. I deleted the first comment you made because it seems as though the second was meerly a correction of the first...but you can simply edit the first comment. CrashBash 17:42, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. But can you answer my question ?Ddill 05:41, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I, personally, don't doubt the veracity of the average BioKard. However, the MK-team has not always been accurate regarding their own mythology (except for John Vogel). If you watch all the BioKards, certain mistakes are made by the commentators (even Ed Boon) regarding character biographies and histories. Not retcons, but mistakes (Jade being called the "evil version of Kitana", for instance). Furthermore, other characters' alignments have been debated by (disregarding their BioKard stated alignments). For instance, there is much debate (right now) over Reptile's alignment. To me, for instance, it makes little sense why Kabal (who was neutral in the Mortal Kombat 3-series) is suddenly evil, despite Havik (one of his closer allies) being listed as neutral. What about Smoke? His Mortal Kombat: Deception BioKard states that he's good, however, he's working with Noob Saibot, and there's certainly a question as to his alignment. Like I said, though, I personally don't have a problem with assuming the BioKards are canon (within reason); however, since there are others who do disagree with that philosophy on this site, we cannot simply assume their accuracy. 05:52, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ddill,saying Sareena is good is like saying Sareena's story is canon.(Hangingmanpeter0 07:13, December 7, 2010 (UTC))
 * Cavalier Tunes, your good and explaining. But you missed out on something. Sareena was under a SPELL. The only way in the mortal kombat universe is to beat them. You don't use a potion or something. This is why she's allies with Taven. If she was under a spell still, they would've said something like her killing Sub-Zero but it wasn't.Ddill 03:54, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. And what you said was conjecture, not proof. Tell me where it says that the only way to remove a spell in the MK Universe is via defeat in kombat. Prove to me that she would've attempted to kill Sub-Zero if she were still under a spell. You're making assumptions. Assumptions that are unfounded. Think like a lawyer. If you don't have proof, then your evidence is inadmissible. Period. Also, please proof-read your posts; I should not have to reread your post five times and then guess at what you meant to say. 04:05, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. But this is Mortal Kombat. This isn't like a fairy tale. There isn't another way Sareena could've been freed, only by defeating her. Sareena's ending would show some evil in her if she was still under Quan Chi's spell, but it shown some good. Nobody understands like I do.Ddill 06:11, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks? In that Kitana is freed from Shao Kahn's spell via magic, not via defeat in kombat. Furthermore, Sareena's ending in Mortal Kombat: Armageddon is not canon. And, even if defeat can free someone from a spell, there's no evidence that Sareena was freed from Quan Chi's spell in Mortal Kombat: Armageddon. You're statement that "Nobody understands like I do," is not only insulting to those of us that take pride in accuracy on this Wiki, but is also very pompous! Also, work on your grammar! 06:21, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with my grammar on my last comment? Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks is not canon. Why is she allies with Taven? It says in the Forces of Light wiki that Sareena joined them. Which means she's good. On the Alignment wiki it says she's good. This is the only wiki that says she's Unknown. Seven other wiki's say she's good. So we have to listen to the seven other wiki's that say she's good. If you disagree, go look at them for yourselves. One of my Christmas wishes is to make Sareena good. I will not rest until I prove it.Ddill 06:52, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, for the love of....Ddill, I'm sorry for losing my patience, but you're clearly not sorry. When you say "sorry", it means you shut up! You're not. You're still going on and on like a little child. It doesn't MATTER if Shaolin Monks wasn't canon...he wasn't talking about that. He was talking about the magic. There's a BLOODY difference! Sareena was CLEARLY added to the Forces of Light page BEFORE the BLOODY discussion! Look at Alignment's talk page....there's CLEARLY a discussion as to where Sareena should go! AND STOP USING THE OTHER BLOODY WIKIAS!! WE'VE TOLD YOU THISE TOO MANY BLOODY TIMES!! You are really, REALLY annoying me!! You're not going to learn ANY sense, obviously, so SHUT UP AND GO AWAY!! CrashBash 08:11, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * .....look, guys, I'm sorry, it's just this guy is really annoying me. CrashBash 08:15, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is really harsh for someone who's age is way shorter than yours and YOU SHUT UP.Ddill 23:20, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

The both of you are gone for three days. I'm not giving any more warnings.  Smoke Sound off! 02:44, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Somebody's trying to be funny.
Spam page,please delete this thanks.(Hangingmanpeter0 01:46, December 7, 2010 (UTC))

Oops,sorry about that
Sorry,about that I thought those were something else D'Oh(Hangingmanpeter0 04:37, December 11, 2010 (UTC))

Cooled off, and immediately find trouble...
Hey there. I've just had a cool-off, and I'm really sorry for what happened. I guess I just lost it a bit.....no, actually, I lost it a lot, back there. I'm not pleased with myself by any means, and I hope you can give me another chance.

Oh, and look who's back...it's Mr Big Beefy Man Stick.....again....

http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.163.113.57

Looks like he won't learn either. Can you please ban him? CrashBash 13:51, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Look
Can you look on Sareena talk and answer the complimate.70.167.178.60 23:40, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Reverse edits?
How do you do that? say if somebody deletes everything on the page?(Hangingmanpeter0 10:55, December 20, 2010 (UTC))


 * You can just press the undo button. Or, you could go to the history of the page, and click the version you want to revert it to, click the "Compare Selected Revisions" buttons, then edit, then save. However, if you're ever promoted to rollback user (Cometstyles is the only user that can promote anyone), then you'll be able to simply press a "revert" link, which will undo the most recent edit without any extra work on your part. If, however, as you suggested, someone has deleted a page, you'll have to be an administrator to undelete it (or you can just tell me or Smoke., and we can undelete the page for you). I hope that helps! 11:08, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you,that helps(Hangingmanpeter0 21:38, December 20, 2010 (UTC))
 * Thank you,that helps(Hangingmanpeter0 21:38, December 20, 2010 (UTC))

Banning for longer than a month
You can do it, and in fact, if you want to keep your sanity, it's advisable. Especially if the vandal in question is a repeat offender.  Smoke Sound off! 16:38, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Cometstyles said that I should keep "the ban limit for IP's to a maximum of 2 months," on your talk page when he initially promoted me. So, I just want to follow his rules. But, I suppose you're right, in this case, more drastic measures are required. Thanks! 16:43, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I know what he said. Fact is, he doesn't have to deal with these people. If the case is more extreme, ban them for longer. IP addresses change every three months, so if the ban needs to be longer than that, then do a range block.  Smoke Sound off! 16:45, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good!  16:51, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Kratos
I've been editiong the Kratos page, and I've noticed you have been removing my contributions. please explain whyErick Esquivel 20:24, December 23, 2010 (UTC) By: Erick


 * First of all, on encyclopedic articles we should try to avoid using thumbnailed images. Under thumbnails, a message appears stating who uploaded the image, and it detracts from the article itself.  Second of all, when you remove categories from the character template, the fields aren't deleted, and instead are replaced by placeholders that make the page look even more incomplete (for example, a weight that's blank is replaced by "").  Furthermore, this is a fan-made image, and has no place on an article.  For the most part, your edits were fine, it was the small details that I was reverting.   20:32, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Proposition.....new character page set-up.
I've had a small thought about how the character pages are set up, and in particular their "story" section...you know, the bit where we learn about their part throughout the series, from their perspective. I've been thinking, with Mortal Kombat 2011 coming soon and re-telling the events, I was thinking perhaps the story section could do with some altering. My proposal is that it's split into three.... Your thoughts on this would be appriciated. I think it'd make it look a bit neater. CrashBash 16:33, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Main Timeline Anything from Mortal Kombat 1 through to Armageddon, which is currently what we have...most likely this will be the largest section.
 * 2) Alternative Timeline This will, of course, be MK 2011 and its events, since we don't know how they'll change.
 * 3) Others Somewhere where we can mention Shaolin Monks and DC Universe without trying to fit them into the timeline.


 * I think that that's a wonderful idea!
 * I think, as well, each section should have sub-sections (which I think you hinted at), for instance:
 * Main Timeline
 * Before Mortal Kombat
 * Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero
 * Mortal Kombat: Special Forces
 * Mortal Kombat
 * Mortal Kombat II
 * Mortal Kombat 3 / Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 / Mortal Kombat Trilogy / Mortal Kombat Advance
 * Mortal Kombat 4 / Mortal Kombat Gold
 * Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance / Mortal Kombat: Tournament Edition
 * Mortal Kombat: Deception / Mortal Kombat: Unchained
 * Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
 * Alternative Timeline
 * Before Mortal Kombat
 * Mortal Kombat (← links to "Mortal Kombat (2011 video game)")
 * Others
 * Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks
 * Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe
 * Movies
 * Mortal Kombat (← links to "Mortal Kombat (film)")
 * Mortal Kombat Annihilation
 * Mortal Kombat: The Journey Begins
 * Mortal Kombat: Defenders of the Realm
 * Mortal Kombat: Conquest
 * Comic Books
 * Novels
 * Others
 * Or something like that. (Of course, where each character only would have sections that apply to them. For instance Reptile wouldn't have a section for Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe, having not been in that video game, et cetera.) I think you should also run this proposal by Smoke., and we should probably find a way to run this by other significant, registered users on Mortal Kombat Wiki, to make sure the majority of us are in agreement. That being said, like I mentioned, I think this is a wonderful idea, and completely necessary. I hope everyone else agrees. It's a large undertaking though. 16:51, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Acheivments
This wiki is now using wiki achievements? I don't like it.   ŖЁĠÍ§Ţ3ŔΣĎ ₵ΘИ♰®|฿Ū†ÖṜ  Hi  05:57, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought it would be a nice Christmas / Hanukkah / Kwanza / Eid al-Adha / Winter Solstice / Yule / et cetera present for the community. Although, if enough people are opposed to it (like apparently you are), I will remove it immediately. If people aren't going to enjoy it, then there's no reason for having it. I'm sorry you don't approve. 06:02, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I think they help contributors contribute more, but sometimes, it leads to "boosting"(useless edits) in order to get those achievements.   ŖЁĠÍ§Ţ3ŔΣĎ ₵ΘИ♰®|฿Ū†ÖṜ  Hi  07:18, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, that is a danger. However, I can assure you, that I (and likely Smoke., too) will be warning anyone who makes those useless edits. And, if it does get out of hand, I will immediately discontinue achievements. 07:27, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if anyone gets caught abusing it, they'll be dealt with. My experience with other wikis, however, tends to lean toward most newer users not even being aware that such a system exists.  Smoke Sound off! 13:18, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Acheivments (Continie)
I assume useless edits will be a shame to anyone who did ti. How you think?
 * This coming from the person who just edited my talk page six times in five minutes? Yes, useless edits are a shame.  And, if I see too many of them, I'll make sure that Achievements are over!  And, I'll be warning anyone who does them.  Also, remember to sign your name.   13:08, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

accept the warning
I do not playing the achievements game as you calling that. I just want to help to expand wiki. but i agree, i going too far for one day. And i do not need this achievements.


 * Thank you. And, I should've noted, that many of your achievements were good; but the way in which you employed them were slightly suspicious. I think you were helping the wiki, but many of your categories appeared superfluous on the surface; and adding a video of Kabal's MK3 biography was unnecessary when the text of said biography was already on the site, and said text was all the video contained. Don't worry, I'm not angry or out for blood. However, I will have to insist that you remember to sign your name from now on. (It's quite simple, just write "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" after every post you make on a talk page.) 13:39, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am sorry but i am new on wiki project and do not know much(English language in particular). Please warn me if i do something wrong. Once again sorry for disturbing.
 * "alexoalexo"
 * I'm afraid that's not how you sign your name. As CavilierTunes said (and as it says at the top of the page), you are to write this symbol (~) four times. Not write your name in speech marks. I hope that's clearer. CrashBash 14:47, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that's not how you sign your name. As CavilierTunes said (and as it says at the top of the page), you are to write this symbol (~) four times. Not write your name in speech marks. I hope that's clearer. CrashBash 14:47, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Talk Pages
Did you know that, you're suppose to reply to the user by going to their talk page and leave the message, you don't reply to your own talk page, it makes it easlier for the users.   ŖЁĠÍ§Ţ3ŔΣĎ ₵ΘИ♰®|฿Ū†ÖṜ  Hi  07:44, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Kratos page
While editing the Kratos page i saw that where it said real name, it would say {real name}. I dont know if i caused it or someone else?
 * First of all, sign your name (just write "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" after any post you make on a talk page). And second of all, it says that because a number of users have been deleting fields that otherwise don't apply (that is to say, they've been deleting the "real name" field, the "weight" field, et cetera). When they're deleted from the code, that does not delete them from the page. Instead it places &#123;&#123;real name&#125;&#125;, and &#123;&#123;weight&#125;&#125;, et cetera, in the character template box. That's why I've been telling users to stop deleting empty fields from the code, so we don't have this issue. Thank you for pointing this out. However, I'm already doing my best to combat this issue. Thanks! 21:26, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Is that Smoke artwork really what he's gonna look like?
Any ideas? nevermind sorry.(Hangingmanpeter0 01:36, December 29, 2010 (UTC))


 * It's okay. Someone's been circulating that render for a few months (maybe more). It's fan-made. It is not how Smoke will look in the new game – we don't even have confirmation as to whether or not Smoke will be in his "human"- or "cyborg"-form. If anyone adds that render back onto Smoke's page, just undo it, like you've been doing. Good job, by the way! 01:43, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I suck at editing,I still need work lol thanks anyways(Hangingmanpeter0 01:44, December 29, 2010 (UTC))
 * I suck at editing,I still need work lol thanks anyways(Hangingmanpeter0 01:44, December 29, 2010 (UTC))

The true storyline of Mortal Kombat
- Liu Kang will be in Mortal Kombat(2011). If you go to themortalkombat.com, when you see the character selections, all have been revealed except one, because it has not been unlocked. If you see the shadow of the unknown character, that is Liu Kang. And however, Ed Boon told that Liu Kang will be at the Mortal Kombat(2011) during his interview with TMK at the E3 2010. Liu Kang was human at that time, before he was killed at the intro of Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance.

-Stryker, Smoke and Kabal will be at Mortal Kombat(2011), because you can hear their battle cry of the audio sample.

- Great Kung Lao is a great ancestor of Kung Lao. We all know the Great Kung Lao was killed by Goro 500 years before the Mortal Kombat began when Liu Kang was the champion. So, Kung Lao has much respect for his ancestor, and the Great Kung Lao watches over him from the heavens as Kung Lao defends and battle for Earthrealm with Liu Kang, Raiden, Johnny Cage, Sonya, Jax, and his other allies. Which means they're allies by generations of the family.

-Raiden and Fujin are both gods, and they are allies. Raiden turned into dark Raiden after his sacrifice from the blast to destroy the Dragon King. Raiden is still good, not neutral. He was neutral before the battle of Armageddon between Good and Evil. You can tell, because he battled against Shinnok.


 * Let's knock down each of your points one-by-one, shall we?
 * I've been on the official MK2011 website. I see no evidence that the silhouetted figure is Liu Kang. Sure, it looks like him, but that means nothing. It may be a new character. Give me proof that it's Liu Kang, and then we'll list him as confirmed. Okay? And, secondly, provide a link that has Ed Boon confirming Liu Kang for MK2011, and then we'll list him as confirmed. Simply stating that the game takes place before Liu Kang was killed in Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance means nothing – Sheeva was alive before Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance, and she may not be in the game. We need proof!
 * I heard the audio sample. Read the Confirmed Characters section of the Mortal Kombat (2011 video game) page – we address Stryker, Smoke, and Kabal. The audio sample does not confirm them for the game. All it does is prove that they made battle cries that are supposedly for those characters. That could be false leads; maybe they'll decide to cut them…et cetera. Until we have confirmation or more direct proof, we cannot consider them confirmed!
 * No, just no! We have no proof that if the Great Kung Lao had not died that he'd be allies with Kung Lao. We have no proof that he's watching over the other kombatants. That's all speculation. And, even if it were proof, it's a long stretch to say that because Kung Lao has a spiritual guardian, that somehow that guardian is his ally in kombat. If you want to debate that issue, then start a conversation on Kung Lao's talk page. But, no your reasoning would not hold up in court.
 * Raiden and Shinnok are both gods too, that does not make them allies! Read Raiden's and Fujin's Armageddon biographies. In Raiden's he allies himself with Shinnok (albeit with a plan to turn on him, but nonetheless, that disproves your point). In Fujin's, it clearly states, "Kung Lao and I [Fujin] have joined forces to confront our former allies &#91;Raiden and Liu Kang]. If a way cannot be found to save Raiden and Liu Kang, I fear we will have no choice but to finish them." Even if Raiden was completely good in Armageddon, that still does not negate the fact that he and Fujin are enemies. Give me proof that they rekindled their friendship, and we can change it; otherwise it will stay as is. However, after the new game comes out, since the timeline is being rewritten, it's likely the two will be allies again. If that's the case, they will be listed as such.
 * I hope that's all clear! And, again I suggest you read this. Also, remember to sign your name (just write "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" after any post you make on a talk page)! 17:48, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Fate Decision
- Liu Kang - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PTEYc0QJrU - There's your proof to hear that Liu Kang will be at the Mortal Kombat(2011) during the interview with Ed Boon; look very closely at the shadow of that unknown character. Look at the outline of the character. You'll truly know that it's Liu Kang.

- I didn't mentioned anything about Sheeva being in Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance. She wasn't even in Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance. :D 什麼一傻瓜. :D

- We been knew Great Kung Lao was killed before Kung Lao existed. If you look at Kung Lao's Mortal Kombat II ending, he gives the respect for his ancestor, the Great Kung Lao. Respect means honoring their people as the people above watching over their generations. How would the Great Kung Lao would watch over other kombatants? He only watches Kung Lao. :D 再次，什麼一傻瓜. :D

- I been knew Shinnok was a god, but he betrayed the elder gods and was sent into the netherealm as punishment; The solutions of dark Raiden and deceased Liu Kang with Fujin and Kung Lao, was before the battle of Armageddon. We know that Kung Lao and Fujin trying to stop the dark Raiden and the deceased Liu Kang. It happen "before" the Armageddon battle. Most frankly, Raiden and Fujin joined forces with the forces of Light to battle against the forces of Dark at Armageddon.

Only fate will decide. DRAGONUNKNOWN1999.

DRAGONUNKNOWN1999 18:37, December 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, let's handle this again,
 * Ed Boon never confirms Liu Kang in that video, he says that "if he [Liu Kang] showed up, he would be in normal [non-zombie] form." The key word there is "if." Liu Kang is not confirmed. And, for the final time, there's no proof that that silhouette is Liu Kang!" I cannot make that any clearer. Just because it looks like it might be Liu Kang does not mean it is! It could be a new character, it could be a redesign of an older character. Read this, it makes it very clear that we need proof before we can add anything (especially confirmed characters) to this wiki! Proof is not "that could be Liu Kang"; proof is "we have evidence that that's Liu Kang," okay?
 * I was using Sheeva as an example. She, like Liu Kang, was alive during the timeline that the new game takes place in, but that does not mean that she'll be in the game. My point is, that just because someone was there, timeline-wise, doesn't mean that they'll be in MK2011.
 * Give me proof that the Great Kung Lao watches over Kung Lao? And even then, even if you could give me proof, we'd likely need to have a conversation regarding the issue on Kung Lao's talk page before we could make it official. Traditionally, a dead person is not considered someone's current ally. Okay?
 * Again, give me proof! Give me proof that Fujin and Raiden fought and hammered out their differences before the battle of Armageddon. You're speculating! You're guessing at a timeline! There's no proof that it happened in that order, or that they even fought at all!
 * To sum this all up: give me proof! I don't know how much simpler I can make that! All of your "evidence" is guesses and speculation in an attempt to make what you want to be true appear that way! If you cannot give proof, then it cannot be on Mortal Kombat Wiki. I don't know how much more basic that can be. I don't mean to be rude, but you apparently are having trouble grasping that concept. 18:54, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * The shadow of that character as CT,has said could be Liu Kang or say Sareena for that matter.(Hangingmanpeter0 21:33, December 29, 2010 (UTC))
 * The shadow of that character as CT,has said could be Liu Kang or say Sareena for that matter.(Hangingmanpeter0 21:33, December 29, 2010 (UTC))

Kitana
During Mortal kombat vs dc, the player has to beat Kitana with Scorpion. When your done, Quan Chi cast a spell to control her and perged her over the rage. But how do you know that he didn't cast his spell on her and perge her of the rage.166.205.138.77 16:41, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go back and read your question; your grammar is a little off, and it makes it a tad difficult to discern what you're trying to ask. You said that Quan Chi controlled Kitana then purged her of the Rage as a fact. Then asked how one knows that fact isn't true. No one is negating it. Yes, Quan Chi cast a spell to control Kitana, then purged her of the Rage.
 * What I assume that you were trying to ask is how one knows that Quan Chi actually ended his spell controlling Kitana. The answer to that is simple: we don't know. We can trust the storyline, and the fact that no indication is given in the rest of the story-mode of MKvDCU. However, the fact of the matter is that Quan Chi is – next to Tanya - probably the least-trustworthy character in the Mortal Kombat universe. Personally, if it's that easy to control Kitana, I would suspect that Quan Chi does it more often. Although, a possible explanation is that the fact that Kitana was being controlled by the Rage somehow made it easier (or even possible) for Quan Chi to cast a spell that could control her. I suppose there's no real way of knowing aside from asking Ed Boon or another member of the MK-team.
 * I hope that answers your question, however, as previously stated, I'm not 100% sure what your question was. 18:31, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

All my reasons
These are enough reasons Sareena is good. 1: Sareena's ending shows good in her ending 2: Her Ending also shows no signs of her being under Quan Chi's spell and stop bringing up the other endings like Li Mei's ending. Her ending was in the past in Deception, were talking about only Sareena. 3: Since Sareena is allies with Taven (As it states in her wiki) she should've been freed and if she wasn't, one of the contributors would have changed it. 4: Sareena has good allies and evil enemies, which means she is good. 5: If Sareena is enemies with Quan Chi, Sareena should be not controlled by him anymore. So this means she is good. 6: How could someone look so innocent be evil anyway. Like fans thought Tanya couldn't be evil of how innocent she looked. But it is proven that she is evil and even though it's fake, Tanya is proven to be evil. So let's do the same thing to Sareena in her Armageddon ending. 7: Sareena's MK TE ending is real but it doesn't make sense because Sareena helped Sub Zero in the netherrealm to fight Noob and Smoke but after the battle, Sareena returned to her demon form and Sub Zero attacked her. If she was evil, she would have fought back, but she didn't. 8: Sareena is seen fighting Frost on the far right corner in Armageddon intro at 2:18. You need to see it in hd. You can't see her face but you can see her torso,hand,leg,and breast. I recognize that color on her to. If she was on the Forces of Darkness, she would have fought someone on the good side but she didn't. She isn't one of those people like Mileena, Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn to attack there own team. Sareena wouldn't do that because her personality is not like that and her ending doesn't show anything that Sareena wants like Shao Kahn only attack his team to get powerful, Shang Tsung to conquer Outworld,Mileena to be pretty and more. 9: The same thing happens to Smoke when he was good but was reprogramed to do evil stuff. But since he was fighting Nitara, this wiki thinks that means he joined the good guys. So let's do that to Sareena too when she was fighting Frost on the far left corner at 2:18 in Armageddon intro. 10: There are to many bad guys for her to join them in Armageddon. 11: Sareena has done good deeds in Mortal Kombat universe, the creators wouldn't just let all those good deeds go to waste and make her evil. It's like if someone made a movie about superman and he turned evil and stayed that way. So Sareena has no chance of being evil. I hope you please approve to this and please don't say why am I still on this. I've worked really hard to convise everyone she is good.166.205.138.77 20:25, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, let's handle this one-by-one, shall we?


 * Her ending is non-cannon. It doesn't matter, which leads directly into your second point…
 * Li Mei's ending does matter. It shows that regardless of what side someone takes in their ending, it has no bearing on what their actual side is. Just like Li Mei, who is otherwise good, went evil in her Deception ending, Sareena's alignment in her ending has nothing to do with what her real alignment might be. Don't tell me to "stop bringing up other endings," because they are important in setting a precedent for an argument. Think like a lawyer, give me proof.'
 * Being allies with Taven has no bearing on her alignment overall. Ermac and Ashrah are enemies, however, they're both good. In the Mortal Kombat 3-series, Kabal was allied with Sonya and Jax, despite being members of the Black Dragon and Special Forces respectively.
 * No it doesn't, as explained in the previous point. Again, think like a lawyer: give me proof, not speculation.
 * Not necessarily. Sheeva and Motaro are enemies, and they're both evil. Doesn't it stand to reason that Sareena and Quan Chi could be both be enemies and evil as well?
 * The argument that Sareena looks innocent is not an argument! First of all, it's a stretch to say that Sareena looks innocent, because according to modern conventions, her tattoos and gothic appearance would prevent many people from assuming that she's "innocent" (not me, but I'm not your average person). And, as you pointed out yourself, Tanya is evil and she looks innocent – and Tanya's cannon actions and biographies proved her to be evil, not her non-cannon ending.
 * Sareena's Mortal Kombat: Tournament Edition ending is canon. So? Sure, it doesn't make her evil, but it doesn't exactly make her good. And yes, Sareena helping Sub-Zero in the NetherЯealm, does seem to imply that she has good in her – I don't think anyone's denying that – however, even after that, there's still the implication that she fell back under Quan Chi's control when Sub-Zero attacked her, afraid of her demonic-appearance.
 * Well, then send me a link to the HD version of the Battle of Armageddon you speak of. Because I've watched and re-watched the video, and I only see Sareena in passing, once, and she's not fighting anyone. And, furthermore, even if she were fighting Frost, like I've said before, Sheeva and Motaro are enemies despite both being evil, couldn't Sareena and Frost both be enemies, despite being evil? Furthermore, Kombatants were forced into the Forces of Darkness and the Forces of Light by the MK-team, wanting everyone to have a side (otherwise, people like Scorpion wouldn't be on a side at all). You cannot assume that Sareena's personality predisposes her to not attacking "her own team." Quite frankly, you cannot assuming anything about her personality without proof.
 * Well, thank you for bringing that up – Smoke's alignment in the Battle of Armageddon needs to be investigated, because he clearly has been programmed for evil, and, even if he joined the Forces of Light, that doesn't necessarily make him good.
 * Yes, and Sareena joining the Forces of Light wouldn't make a difference: they'd still be outnumbered. And, even if you did have concrete proof that she joined the Forces of Light, as stated before, that doesn't prove she's good. Nitara and Scorpion joined the Forces of Darkness, and neither of them are bad guys.
 * Don't assume you know what the creators intend! Maybe they would let all her good deeds "go to waste." You're making assumptions! You cannot try to prove something based on speculation!
 * As I've said before, I agree with you, I believe Sareena is good, I just think it should be proven. However, instead of proving it to me, you've angered me, because clearly you've been listening to nothing I've been saying. You're hashing out the same old "evidence" you've given time-after-time, with nothing new. We've all explained to you, time-and-time-again why that "evidence" is faulty, yet you insist it should be considered! I don't know how much clearer I can make this, but you have to think like a lawyer! To visually show you how much of what you said is speculation, I've copied below your entire argument, and highlighted every instance of speculation (that is something that lacks proof, and is mostly subjective). I hope it shows you where your contentions have failed.


 * Sareena's ending shows good in her ending
 * Her Ending also shows no signs of her being under Quan Chi's spell and stop bringing up the other endings like Li Mei's ending. Her ending was in the past in Deception, were talking about only Sareena.
 * Since Sareena is allies with Taven (As it states in her wiki) she should've been freed and if she wasn't, one of the contributors would have changed it.
 * Sareena has good allies and evil enemies, which means she is good.
 * If Sareena is enemies with Quan Chi, Sareena should be not controlled by him anymore. So this means she is good.
 * How could someone look so innocent be evil anyway . Like fans thought Tanya couldn't be evil of how innocent she looked. But it is proven that she is evil and even though it's fake, Tanya is proven to be evil. So let's do the same thing to Sareena in her Armageddon ending.
 * Sareena's MK TE ending is real but it doesn't make sense because Sareena helped Sub Zero in the netherrealm to fight Noob and Smoke but after the battle, Sareena returned to her demon form and Sub Zero attacked her. If she was evil, she would have fought back, but she didn't.
 * Sareena is seen fighting Frost on the far right corner in Armageddon intro at 2:18. You need to see it in hd. You can't see her face but you can see her torso,hand,leg,and breast. I recognize that color on her to. If she was on the Forces of Darkness, she would have fought someone on the good side but she didn't. She isn't one of those people like Mileena, Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn to attack there own team. Sareena wouldn't do that because her personality is not like that and her ending doesn't show anything that Sareena wants like Shao Kahn only attack his team to get powerful, Shang Tsung to conquer Outworld,Mileena to be pretty and more.
 * The same thing happens to Smoke when he was good but was reprogramed to do evil stuff. But since he was fighting Nitara, this wiki thinks that means he joined the good guys. So let's do that to Sareena too when she was fighting Frost on the far left corner at 2:18 in Armageddon intro.
 * There are to many bad guys for her to join them in Armageddon.
 * Sareena has done good deeds in Mortal Kombat universe, the creators wouldn't just let all those good deeds go to waste and make her evil . It's like if someone made a movie about superman and he turned evil and stayed that way. So Sareena has no chance of being evil


 * And the "evidence" you used that wasn't speculation has all been disproven time and time again. At this point I'm close to saying that Sareena's alignment will definitively remain as "Unknown" until she reappears in a game or a member of the MK-team makes a more definitive statement. I won't do that, because, in the event that you discover some heretofore overlooked evidence that proves your point (or someone else's), I think it should be taken into consideration. But, let me make this clear: my patience is running thin: be sure that if you do decide to continue this debate your come up with some new evidence, devoid of speculation, and heavy on proof! It is imperative that this debate is won on facts, and you are striving to win it on emotion. That cannot stand. I hope that's clear. 21:17, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Send a Message
This is getting ridiculous. We will never stop arguing until we have the right alignment. Tell me how to send Ed boon a message on his twitter so we can end this thing about Sareena.166.205.138.77 21:40, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a wonderful idea! Go ask Ed Boon. I'd tell you how to do it, except, I have no clue how to use Twitter (I don't use it – I honestly, don't understand the appeal). Here's a link to Ed Boon's Twitter, and John Vogel's Twitter (John Vogel's been writing most of the plots since John Tobias left, so he might have a better idea as to Sareena's alignment). My prediction, if they respond to your questions, is that they'll confirm that Sareena is good. However, without their confirmation, we cannot officially change the alignment on her page. 21:51, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

I've Created a accounton twitter but the thing is I don't know how to send a message to both of them. So after you see this message, can you look on twitter and see how to send messages to people and type back.166.205.138.77 23:12, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your guess is as good as mine. I've never used Twitter. Just type "sending messages on Twitter" into Google, and see what comes up. I hope you figure it out (maybe you can explain it to me when you do). 23:18, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Kitana's picture
May I leave another picture? It is official.
 * As long as it's an official picture (that is to say, it hasn't been altered by any source that is not NetherЯealm Studios) then of course you can! The only reason that picture wasn't allowed was, like I said, it was colored by someone that is not affiliated with the MK-team.  The original, non-colored image was official; however, we cannot assume that the artist who colored the other picture got the colors 100% correct.  That being said, like I said before, you can put an official picture up on an article.  So yes – go ahead.  Also, when you write a comment on someone's page, be sure to sign your name (just write "&#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;" after your comment).   23:30, December 31, 2010 (UTC)