Board Thread:General MK Discussion/@comment-882622-20150504162800/@comment-24938557-20151014231006

Yellow Ledbetter wrote: Draft227 wrote: Yellow Ledbetter wrote: Well, but since the comics are now connecting Onaga to Red Dragon and other kind of, IMO, absurds, and somehow this is accepted as canon, NRS could start making effective and interesting changes. To tell you the truth, the relations between the One Being and the Elder Gods, these deities themselves and the creation of everything is a big mystery.I just don't understand why they don't explore this kind of things that would improve the lore.

Besides that, hey Dragonspyne, it's been a while :) This. I have yet to know why they would connect the Red Dragon to Onaga. It is from knowledge of everyone the name comes from Daegon's dragon, Caro, and it wouldn't work in the context of Onaga (IMO it would completely ruin the story of the organization that already is lesser known as always overshadowed by the Black Dragon).

Again, they are going to take the liberties they want and connect them while reducing Taven, Blaze and Armageddon's mythos to absolutely nothing.

Because they don't care for the lore, my friend.

The comic had the chance to fill some holes in the story, or, at the least, find a context to the main plot.

But, two problems.

The first, NRS gave them no assistance. There are MANY annoying inconsistencies, from smaller ones (yet significant things), like Erron Black never knowing any of the heroes (he even flirts with Sonya and Jacqui on intros), passing through idiotic middle plots, and major absurds, like Ermac's departure from Mileena, from an obvious old or incomplete script.

The second, they had too much freedom. I don't wanna offend anyone, but these guys have little knowledge of the lore. They are writing in the dark and inventing stories connecting the characters forgetting that Raiden changes were not that wide.

Now, they come with this Onaga and Red Dragon. This is total BS.

I asked Kittelsen about that, asked if it wasn't risky to change Onaga's origins.

You know what he responded?

"Isn't anything worthwhile?"

I would to a post for that, but couldn't find the proper thread.

Seriously, what are we for them? Desperate fans that wanna see our favorite characters at any cost?

"Hey! I love Scorpion! So I don't care he is hundreds of years old from Feudal Japan and a snake comes from his hand!"

"Hey! I love Kenshi. I don't mind his nemesis is Ermac and Sento is created by Shao Kahn. Also, I don't care that he is hundreds of years old!"

"Hey! I love Sub-Zero. I don't care if he is japonese for this show, killed by Liu Kang or even if Kuai Liang is the jerk of the family!"

I really don't even wanna see what he's going to write about Onaga. A character with a good plot to be done, being older than Shinnok's fall, we could see a retroactive story and all...and he puts him related to RED DRAGON LORE?

I really wanna understand what passes through the mind of someone that has this idea, and from others, like NRS themselves, that allow this. I already bet it's something so absurd that it will be patantly canon offender.

These comics are FORMALLY canon, but materially non-canon. I mean, they are part of the storyline by mere fiction, not by logic. I agree with this completely, as well as with Ridley's final reply that theyat least, are better than Vogel's story though. Had the game be this story or had the two being managed to actually make sense together would be neat.

Yup. Erron's nonsense plots were heavily criticied indeed. And the Ermac part was there for nothing, really.

THIS. How killing Shao Kahn will make hundreds of things who could never potentially happen, happen? This doesn't make much sense (and then there is the plausible and big possible theory - that I believe, where they say his death didn't affect the coming of Armageddon, but rather one outcome. Is like we've stopped Shao Kahn's Armageddon ending, but now any other ending from other living characters can happen.

I agree. It's like: "oh, onaga is a dragon, so, that leaves us with the dragon clans, so he must be a part of their belief. hmm. fans like the black dragon too much, so we are gonna mess with them. instead, we will mess with the red dragon since no one like them and we have already killed hsu hao and mavado." Disrespect with both Onaga and Daegon, as well as the organization. It's not like everyone always say the crap stuff they hate the 3D Era.

Wanna hear my opinion? They are sistematically killing and erasing ALL of the 3D Era characters (who aren't Kenshi, of course), by making them die for nothing or horrendously It doesn't matter if they have story and moveset potential, and all of them have good stories, really, maybe safe from Mokap (which both design and story are terrible). They are doing that in the comics and in the game (Reiko, Havik, Drahmin, Moloch, Mavado, Hsu Hao, Bo' Rai Cho (maybe?), Quan Chi, Shinnok (there isn't a way he could do anything more now)). And worse, others are being reduced to disrespectful and bad cameo appearances, showing how much the developers are saying to us "they can't be used anymore". This happened with Sareena, Frost, Li-Mei, Bo' Rai Cho, Fujin and Shujinko already, sadly, all great characters with great stories.

Agreed. The MK team just want to butcher and kill off any post-MK3 character as quick as possible, without regards to the lore. They might have just bring up Onaga and Daegon to kill them off, the same way they made with Reiko and Havik. That would also be good for them because it will already weaken the Armageddon storyline and reset possibilities for their characters to appear. Cassie is gonna kill both Daegon and Onaga, calling it, when the right and most symbolic would be Taven and Shujinko doing so.

Nothing passes. They just want to give us the same old 2D characters (Jax, Liu Kang, Kitana, Sonya, Sub-Zero, Scorpion - not that I don't like them) for the rest of our lives, add those new, terrible characters (thanks to the game terrible story) and forget about story the series could told after Shao Kahn's invasion on Earthrealm. They just want to mess up badly with the lore so we lore fans can become even more depressed for the way it's been treated.

Totally agreed.